Chapter XIII

1. PENALTY IN Infernal Hell. (Kappatthakatha)

Rate debate : A ball fall into hell cockroaches suffered no penalty in all a great long life  (kappa).

Explanatory notes : This concept of sect  Rajagirikas , understood from the passage: "A harmonious break increased to fall into misery in an eons"

(1)  Theravadins: -  But this concept implies that the longevity of life when he can start living Buddha in this world inflicted. Or the church being destroyed Sangha, or when he was sentenced to suffer a severe punishment, or when he died ...

(2) This concept also implies that if a person lives in eons past, they can also live in a Great Futurism, or two, three, four eons ...

And if in his eons, burnt earth he will go?

Rajagirikas:  - Go to a different world.

Th: - The dead have come to that place? have not come to naught?

R: - The dead went there.

Th: - A physical action can contain penalties for non-performance in the next life? He must reject it ... Therefore, he must go to nothing? this means that they have psychic powers - but they can not really get what the person can be very indirect penalty that practice is now iddhipada - Education, Need, center, visiting it?

(3) R: - But if I'm wrong, there must be Exalted have urged that "The increased integration clearance, will be reborn in hell, people like to split, no angle to the law, away from legal, making scattered price increases, will be buried in a hell always eons. "

From my perspective there is rational.

2. HAVING IN MIND OUR FRIENDLY deprivation (Kusalacitta patilabhakatha)

Rate debate : Beings where deprivation can not have moral consciousness.

Explanatory notes : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas , because there is no distinction between low levels of education and moral consciousness in the world the high degree of moral consciousness in the higher realms.

(1 ) Theravadins: -  But he still admits that this person can give alms to monks, then how can his position tenable? These materials are not only giving clothes, bowls, cushions, as the food, medicine, pills foods, which people can make offerings to stupas in faith, can bring cotton, aromatherapy , comes, decorations to make offerings stupa.

(2)  Uttarapathakas:  - He opposed our opinion. And he admits this person have moral consciousness arise (at no torture in hell). This implies that he also has moral consciousness gender identity, formless and even more mind-star super friendly!

3. CREATE NOW instigators Infernal (Anantarapayultakatha)

Rate debate : The accomplice, instigator cockroaches can create wealth now his enlightenment saints.

In Note : An instigator in one of two ways: (a) persons were what incites solicitation; (b) persons can incite other words incited. According sect  Theravadins , only the following cases can instigators his enlightenment, but sent  Uttarapathakas  argued that he could his enlightenment in both cases.

(1) Th: - Is He added that the accomplice or instigator can go in both ways and pagan path? If he refused, he was not able to determine his position. Again, if he is not himself in anxiety and after contact with this evil act, how can he be his enlightenment?

(2) U: - He said that people can not afford to have his enlightenment but he speculates that one person or another person committed the five precepts through the instigation of others have been guilty of?His views did imply this.

Again, he acknowledged that incitement to commit a crime like that, when people really collect words incited retracted and has dissipated the fear and remorse, regret, still can not afford his enlightenment too. by doing so, he implies that a person is guilty of a felony even as they incite. But can he maintain his opinion for one other person knows the good before sin is shown by action?

(3) Th: - But before that, there should not incite people, other people or what crime? So, how can he judge the possibility of his enlightenment of him.

4. ISSUES OF EMPIRE evangelism (Niyatassaniyamakatha)

Rate debate : A bodhisattva "definitely"  (Niyama)  only applies to the case of a Bodhisattva had little certain aspirant. All other phenomena occurring nomenclature for beings of the three worlds do not tend certain, the case is called "No provisions". Sufficient network Buddhas themselves, foresaw and prophesied that: "A person like that will his enlightenment the Buddha of the future."

This person is a Bodhisattva, called Career Certainly  (niyata)  with three-la-density ordination.

But two seconded  Pubbaseliyas  and  Aparaseliyas , used the expression "Certainly," which does not distinguish trends, should conclude that a Bodhisattva will comprehended from the substrate in the last life, and so they said that Bodhisattva this is called "Certainly"

(1) Th: - Is He covers so-called "definitely" evidence certain path when a certain karma countless cockroaches, and our bodies when certain specific Truth freed at the end of life ? First, there is the practice of the Path, then given his enlightenment, first with the training of a Stream, then saved his enlightenment project etc .. certain ... Finally got to the realization of religion will definitely come after the four foundations of mindfulness practice and the other assistant?

(2) P. A: - But in the conflict between us, he has implied that no enlightened bodhisattva Four Truths in the last lifetimes.

Th: - No, I did not say that.

PA: - Thus, certain he will definitely direct evidence.

5. ISSUES obstacles (Nivutakatha)

Rate debate : Obstacle  (Niravana)  is total annihilation by the implications are for them.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas , said that if there is no pollution, it will not have the purity, as well as people are bound to be consequences by new obstacles, they make an end to them.

(1) Th: - So, who are addicted to craving and abandon are craving. Who is hatred, ignorance, pollution and also to give up hatred, ignorance and pollution. Did he cut off the craving with craving, hatred by the hatred, etc ..

U: - (If this concept is not so, he said that obstacles are the total extinction of the Path). He recognized both craving attention, and Path are present. But here, he does not imply the coordination between the two types of consciousness at the same time? Craving is immoral, Path is good - Are his views imply good and bad, moral and immoral, clean and pollution coexist in the same time? And there must be Exalted have urged that "very far apart There are four methods: heaven and earth, the sea shore and the other side of the sea, the sunrise and the sunset, and beyond that all of the legal good and evil "?  [1]

Therefore, it is wrong to say that immoral moral consciousness and exist in the same time.

(2) Th: - But did the Buddha have urged that "With the provincial center, clean, pure, not defiled, infected demand, easy to use, he cut through the illegal or" .. .?  (1)

(3) U: - But did the Buddha have urged that "The monks know that, see that, mind you this liberation from the cankers - Education contraband, illegal possession, false views and ignorance "?

Therefore, make sure the one being implications, bound by a new obstacle is their annihilation.

6. LEGAL ISSUES AND BONDED Liberation(Sammukhibhutakatha)

Rate debate : Trien is the total extinction is by people who are bound by them.

According to Note : This view of the sect also  Uttarapathakas .

(Reasoning similar to XIII-5)

LEGAL ISSUES 7. COMMUNICATION OF MEDITATION(Samapanna Assadetikatha)

Rate debate : he entered meditation and Zen Meditation interested in making objects.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas,  based on passages "When meditation first residence certificate, a state of bliss by being sexual ly, there can reach the quarterfinals ..."

(1) Th: - Is He said that Zen meditation is the object did not? If he refused, his conception can not stand. If he agrees, he must accept the same as a main contact person by touching it, feeling that life in the main, by the idea that a great memory ... Wednesday, Tam. Games, Four, Mindfulness, Hy, Tue ...

(2) He admits that the main joy in meditation and meditation which itself is the state of mind that is being experienced? But is he prepared to accept something beyond that they include two types of consciousness in the same time? He refused. so, before his acceptance of no value. And if He admitted that legal blissful meditation is immoral, while Zen charity itself is legal, so he said that good and evil, the two opposing methods, the existence of the same mind.

(3) A - But if I'm wrong, there must be Exalted have urged that "Here, monks, with fitness classes separatists, legal ly immoral, good and dwell attained first, a ly blissful status by birth and education, which can reach the quarterfinals. he tasted the sweetness of her meditation, her kindness meditation attachment and thus find peace "?  [2]

Thus, certainly blissful meditation practitioners, Zen Meditation and lesbian subject.

8. REAL POSSIBILITY subject matter AI (Asataragakatha)

Rate debate : There is a craving for those measures impossible love.

According to Note : In verses "Any feelings that a person feels pleasant, non-communication and non-pain suffering, who was excited and happy in sensations". If dispatched  Uttrapathakas  that a person can enjoy the sensations of pain and pleasure for those impossible love.

(1) Th: - Is He said that there are beings still have the pleasure of suffering, are they desire, longing and looking miserable? Does he not trust the opposite of the above. He agreed. Thus, how he maintains his argument is?

(2) Can a person in the same time have the option loving feeling free to customize size and pitch of feeling free to touch it? Hypnosis can have two options are not opposites, ie depending loving feeling free in pitch depending optimistic and feel free of pain.

(3) U: - But if I'm wrong, there must have urged Exalted said: "He met the joy, or repulsive. Enjoy pleasant, unpleasant and indifferent, accepting non-touch hardware, home office in his approach "?  (1)

So, for all legal certainly, for those craving impossible love.

9. SUBJECTS OF LEGAL ISSUES who is unselfish(Dhammatanhaabyakatatikatha)

Rate debate : The object of charity law is neutral approach.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Pubbaseliyas , said that six types of objects (continental origin) of knowledge, arising and any five types (contingent formula) is that nothing is signed.

(1) Th: - If so, are subject to legal charity neutral good, neutral or neutral unfortunate results - rupa, Nirvana, labels of origin, reducing the land, improving the land, the land of ... But his body must reject these things (as opposed to the teachings).

Or is he has no argument about the relationship between law and the legal charity remains? If he admits loving identity, silent charity ... is immoral law, he has to admit the same for the relationship between affinity with these legal measures mentioned above.

(2) Is the Buddha once called unwholesome craving is legal reasonable? Does this not have given his conception? Is Buddha once called up to join (or infected sinking) is immoral approach reasonable?And with the infected object immersed in a form of not taking reasonable?

(3) In his undertakings, the object is immersed infects a neutral approach, but He is not justified in using participation (lobha) with this statement, while in another form (Form Sincerely, cordial) is called immoral law.

(4) Again, there must be Exalted have urged that "Take this sinking contact rebirth, corresponding to the delight and immerse infected, which roamed here. - It is the craving fraternity, charity formless ... "(2)

(5) P: - But if I'm wrong, there must be three legal forms of charity this is not the main object of sexual desire that or what?

Therefore, craving is certainly immoral law.

LEGAL ISSUES 10. AI and aprons (Dhammatanha Na Dukkhasamudayotikatha)

Rate debate : Landscape is not to ultimate kindness.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Pubbaseliyas  and some other sects.

(1) Th: - He has no argument about the legal relationship between the scene in loving kindness to others? If he admits that identity is a legal cordially loving ... unwholesome, he also admitted the same for the relationship between affinity with these legal measures mentioned above.

(2-5) Continue as above XIII.9 argument.

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Chapter XIV

1. harmony reciprocity between good and evil(Kusalakusalapatisandahanakatha)

Rate debate : Based unwholesome correlated with moral roots, and vice versa.

In Note : These methods can not improve associated directly and immediately after the law immoral, or vice versa. The continuous mutual thing is so ridiculous. Phai  Mahasanghikas  that because someone has their likes and dislikes for one character, so in that case there is continuity throughout the center line  Javana  route in one or more mental, moral consciousness and therefore there is immoral different about "volition".

(1) Th: - He is implied that the memory, your attention is also immoral tribute, the focus of moral consciousness. He disagreed, while his concept offering emphasize this. Thus does He said that moral consciousness can arise without the memory or attention? Is He maintained the opposite? Thus, if there is moral consciousness arises remembrance and attention, it is wrong to assume that the legal basis unwholesome continuity with moral roots.

(2) There must arise from legal unwholesome volition fees as reasonable? He agreed. Is He also said that these measures also improved due to the ongoing case? Is it not reasonable to say that the moral consciousness of volition arises? He accepted as reasonable by the volition that moral consciousness arises. Therefore, immoral can not be associated with good heart.

(3) Again, is he prepared to admit that unfortunate word associated with heart desires? Mind charity associated with evil mind? Any heart damage associated with malicious mind? Rejoice heart associated with heart envy? The detachment was accompanied by vexatious? ...

(4-6) The same argument applies to deny the second half of conceptions on, meaning "Basing the serial continuous improvement approach to the legal basis of evil."

(7) M: - But if I'm wrong, he'll have to accept that the mind and psychological sexual desire will arise in a person before a target audience? So, certainly my opinion is rational: It measures continuously serial evil with good and vice versa.

2. ISSUES OF CONTENTS INCOME GROWTH(Salayatanuppattikatha)

Rate debate : sixfold arise simultaneously in pregnant mothers.

In Note : According to our teachings, for the human fetus is born at 5 sharp realms nerve or consciousness does not arise (at once) as is the case in the realm of gods.

In the realm of the human fetus at birth, at the same time with the rebirth, with excellent reviews and nervous character itself (in addition to state male or female identity) is being run, as the remaining four types of imported brands, atrium import, import Ratio, and damages arising enter into the 2nd week after birth and continue this remarkable part of the business, now part does not belong. But some sects as  Pubbaseliyas  and  Aparaseliyas  enter believe continent arise simultaneously with the rebirth and all only affected industry as well as the growth of a tree completely influenced by seed.

(1) Th: - Is He implies that mainland mothers enter pregnancy arises in all primary and secondary sectors, fully lacking in a certain department? He refused ... (Let's go deeper into the details), he admitted being run simultaneously with continuous birth center reasonable? Is He can not claim that the arms, legs, head, ears, nose, and teeth and will bear interest arise with them? Why exception of import and other import brands.

(2) PA: - He said that four entry: label, Virgin, tongue, after being born to pregnant mothers. Does he now enter into pregnancy bring your mother? He refused ... But his conception implies this.

Th: - But He said that pregnant mothers hair, hair, nails, teeth, bones existence by the class. Does he himself admits there is a special kind of embryo now has the ability to create a life? He refused. So, why would He attacked my notion?

(3) Or maybe he does not acknowledge the presence of the layer order hair, hair ...? But is Exalted has not ever lecture that.

First Kalala,
then from Kalala
Abbuda present,
then from Abbuda
Dasi (tender) was born,
born Desi ghana (hard meat)
Then Pasakha (detail),
Hair, hair and nails
Continue born,
what the mother ate
food, beverages any
man in the womb.
At that reared for support "  ?  [3] 

Therefore, it is rational to assume that hair, hair, nails, teeth, bones after being born was in the mother's pregnancy.

3. ISSUES HAVING THE INITIATION OF CONTINUOUS FORMS (Anantarapaccayakatha)

Rate debate : A mode of birth after a continuous otherwise unbroken.

In Note : Because of the rapid change of the show and hear the song and dance performances, should send  Uttarapathakas  notion that the same formula being run continuously without interruption.

(1) Th: - Does he imply that idea in mind, the attention created by the consciousness of consciousness is like it? Is He would not confirm this is a mistake? And if wrong, is he would add that no official atrial remembrance and attention? Is not the opposite true? But if the truth is so, then His conception can not stand.

(2) Again, he agrees that consciousness arises center for people to focus on the scenery. But he can not lead such evidence for consciousness born center for the focus on landscape ... In other words, if the mind consciousness only as an object scene is not that different scenes, the atria silent mode must also have as their object scenes footage without the other.

Dharma has said that "Due to the label and the scenery, eye-consciousness arises",  (1)   he can replace it with the word "consciousness" is not? He refused. But I repeat the problems and questions that have to have all of this? He answered that the only rational new beginning. But if his concept is right, he implies that the mind consciousness was being none other than the official atrium was born.

(3-4) The same argument for each of the five pairs of form.

(5) U: - But if I had to be wrong in the stage performances such as dancing, singing, blowing trumpets, the actor saw sharp eyes, ears hear, nose, smell, tongue to taste, body touch hit in a row at the same time other? Therefore, certainly a lot of sense when it comes contingent continually arise form unbroken.

4. The problem manifests of a saint (Ariyarupakatha)

Rate debate : The expression (of physical and verbal) of a saint rely on four great colors.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas  comes from passages "All colors are the four colors, or color shifting four great quartet".  (2)

(1) Th: - He admitted that the saint's identity is not good and neutral. But the four great color is not good, but he's neutral colors.

(2) Again, according to this perspective, the legal identity of the four non-scene gonorrhea, non-scenes fare, non-scene blessed, non-scene coordination, express non-scene, non-scene fetters, non-scene players, non-disturbing scenes, these are the outstanding characteristics of the Bible. In contrast, the four colors associated with this approach.

(3) U: - If I'm wrong, there must be Exalted have urged that "O Bhikkhus, any kind of public identity has four great colors and biomedical excellence"?  (3)

Therefore, it is rational to assume that the physical and verbal expression of a saint's identity depends on college quad.

5. ISSUES VARY MIEN (Anno anusayotikatha)

Rate debate : Custom Hypnosis, any kind in seven depending newspapers, have different properties with adequate legal immoral (such as sex education and loving kindness depending newspapers are two different methods).

According to Note : - This concept of sect  Andhakas , for an ordinary person to think of good or neutral, it can be said that he does not have the option of free expression out of oil.

(1) Th: - Is He said that free education differs depending loving kindness sexual expression outside of it? He refused, so he can not maintain his conceptions are. He could not maintain the craving is like the expression of sexual desire (craving and craving free option) and he still rejected the outward expression of them and depending newspapers.

(2-7) This argument applies to other free 6 option - Custom Golf hypnosis, hypnosis conceit option, depending newspapers skepticism, hypnosis wrong option, bhava marrow newspapers, ignorance depending newspapers.

(8) A: - But if I'm wrong, is not ordinary person in the minds of good or neutral, it can be said that he had no option but to free expression of any options yet reveal party newspapers out?

Th: - If he said that his concept is rational, he had to admit that an ordinary person can also be said that there is sexual desire even if they do not have signs of craving, the craving must be different craving for outward expression.

6. PROBLEMS WITH DEVELOPMENT CENTER dissociation(Pariyutthana Cittavippayttantikatha)

Rate Debate:  Trien dissociation with interest.

In Note : Gender  Andhakas  that charity and other good measures arise while a person is focused on the impermanence ...) In addition, it also said that "Sometimes, this Bharadvaja , someone thought that 'we will volition to impure', but pure volition to minister. " (1)   here, we should pay attention to the negativity is revealed without volition.

(1) Th: - He implies that these types of legal hindrances such as non-nama - rupa, Nirvana, labels of origin, contact the land of bondage ... Are not graded with affinity heart, mind the pitch, the mind has delusion, the immoral, heart afflictions, does he naturally he acknowledged the existence of this law?

7. THE CONTACT BETWEEN LOVE AND IDENTITY GENDER IDENTITY (Pariyapannakatha)

Rate debate : Sac charity underground army in gender identity and gender related identity.

According to Note : This view of the sect  Andhakas  and  Sammitiyas .

(1) Th: - He implies that charity seeking the attainment of meditation, go looking for students in the heavens open, with a preference in the heavens, with the existing conditions, at birth, and kill, and apartments, Peer with the corresponding consciousness. If he refused, his conception untenable.

(2) Did the underground army of loving silence silent silent world and exists in the world? Or other affinity (smell, taste, touch) also ranks in the world respectively underground it? Why not accept that the refusal here? If the charity is not accepted law, he also can not accept charity underground contingent identity and existence of gender identity in gender identity.

(3-4) The same argument applies to the implicit contingent affinity formless formless realms and realms of existence in it.

(5) A. S: - But if he admits that we can say the five underground craving in heavenly realms and realms of existence in them, they are definitely a lot of sense when determining identity and loving kindness contingent formless and existence of underground realms and formless world.

8. FRANCE neutral (Abyakatakatha)

Rate debate : Wrong view is that nothing is signed.

In Note : Gender  Andhakas  and  Uttarapathakas  not distinguish the two meanings of the word "Avyakata " (a) what the Buddha did not explain (b) neutral now. Actually, now wrong is always immoral.

(1) Th: - So, he must also be prepared to classify the legal wrong one as vipakacitta neutral, happy heart, material, Nirvana, labels of origin, origin ... This touched Him can. He also must be prepared to accept that the other elements of the nomenclature, the process of consciousness or corresponding actions is described as neutral. And he will meet the following neutral, all the above measures are called immoral, while only single wrong is called neutral.

(2) Again, nothing is signed not for results, while the fruit is evil, and there must have been wrong Blessed classified as a felony or a star?

(3) Did the Buddha have urged that the "wrong view, this Vaccha, is immoral law, legal right view is good"?  (1)   and have the theory that he was also "Hey puñña · I declare only there are two paths to the wrong view will reborn: hell or animalzxy "?   (2)

(4) AU: - But did the Buddha did not each theory that "Hey Vaccha, do not answer like this: The world is permanent or impermanent world. The world is the world is finite or boundless. the life and body is a life and body or the other. as hybrid exists after death or as hybrids did not exist after death. or as hybrids do exist and not exist after death . Or Tathagata does not exist and not exist after death. " ?  (3)

Therefore, make sure that nothing wrong is signed.

(5) Th: - But did the Buddha have urged that: "Hey man monks with wrong view, wrong thinking, wrong speech there, there is evil now, there are wrong ways, with wrong effort, have evil thoughts, with evil and have the wrong place, the wrong view of liberation, what is now flesh Friendly fully implemented, which is acceptable in his overseas, that everyone has something ... ordinary verbal mean nothing now carried fully, he accepted style that everyone has the status of mental states (immoral)  any decision flesh  (Patthana) , that everyone has certain wishes (panidhi) and that everyone has the public operator  (Sankhara)  all things that taken to impossible optimism, joy impossible, impossible standard, misfortune, suffering "? (4)

So, definitely wrong to say that "evil is as neutral"

9. ANY RELATED ISSUES reincarnation (Apariyapannakatha)

Rate debate : Ta is the law of any relevant reincarnation.

In Note : Because when a person in this world who attained meditation that can be called separatist freed from sex but not to send wrong  Pubbaseliyas  that view and other kinds of meetings with TA center called as "any related reincarnation".

(1) Th: - So he must be prepared to put on the wrong view of any related measures such as the Path of reincarnation, nirvana, one of four directors, one of four results, and other factors such as mindfulness enlightenment origin, the chief need, such as the residence ... Tu Giac GMT - this he could not do it.

(2) P .: - But if I'm wrong, why did he accept that people, ordinary when entering meditation can call reject sexual ly but this person did wrong to make an end?

Therefore, organic certainly reasonable to assume that the legal wrong "any related reincarnation".

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Chapter XV

1. ISSUES dependent origination (Paccayakatha)

Rate debate : Each method can relate to other measures in a certain kind of charm. (1)

According to Note : This concept of sect  Mahasanghikas.  They said that any measures related to a certain legal relationship as the law of cause and condition of, there is no legal relationship that in the coast Countless other indirect or consecutive predestined fate. (2)

Again, if there is contact with the law in coastal scene, there is no legal relationship with the coast in the very indirect, consecutive or conditions.

(1) Th: - Application appointed as Beauty case  (Vimansa)  have had no contact to the head of both causal and charming or what? He agreed. Then he made the point that can not stand.

Again, there is no adult male should contact Head and legal Coast arises or what? If So, we must admit that the Education Minister in relation to both the coast and the East-existent growth.

(2) Likewise for need head, if necessary growth is seen as root (right) grace  (indriya) , we must admit that there should be linked to both the coast and Acting Head of the coast. If we consider growth as a factor should be directed, then we must accept that there is a relationship both the coast and the Path Head coast.

(3) Similarly to the head center, if the center is considered the head of their meat  (ahara)  , then we must admit that the chief contact center to both charm and character of nutriment head.

(4) Such arguments if we surveyed considered as rights chief Mind, or Truth, we must admit that the chief contact center to both the coast and the Head Coast Path. Moreover, if we examine, protest of a saint, the sole legal contact that both the coast and heads of object.

(5) Again, if the moral consciousness born before contact center and also improve birth after repeated like, are we not admit that there is a relationship to both the coast and directed Infernal coast ?

(6) The immoral as well as on theory or what?

(7) In this connection, for the moral consciousness and immoral, they replace the neutral mind or mental well-being reasonable?

(8) M: - But he acknowledged that there is a distinction between the ways in contact, as predestined, Infernal coast, coast Landscape, Repeatedly coast, So, make sure that the argument that I put is rational.

2. ISSUES reciprocally (Annanannapaccayakatha)

Rate debate : Because operating ignorance conditioned so we can not assume that ignorance conditioned executive.

According to Note : This concept of  Mahasanghikas , they understand the teachings contrary, there exist events, reciprocity between ignorance and onions (and continue to spend Twelve methods of causal laws).

(1)  Theravadins: -  But is ignorance arises with the issue or what? If so, here it is, reciprocally (another name of coexistence).

(2) Again, the conditioned craving coy. Is it wrong to say that "someone Coast Player"? He agrees. But as the above argument is also valid here.

(3) M: - "Birth, the old monks conditioned and death, while the Soul again conditioned by birth". Are there really such texts or what?

Th: - None.

M: - No Support interdependence, ignorance and practice, nor reciprocally between craving and grasping.

(4) Th: - "O Bhikkhus conditioned consciousness and matter, necessarily conditioned by matter, then new born",  (1)   there must be such a true prayer or what?

M: - Yes, like that.

Th: - What is the relationship of mutual affinity can be.

3. TIMING ISSUES (Addhakatha)

Rate debate : Time to be expected. The word  "addha"  (time) is understood in the sense of the period, a period.

In Note : Gender  Andhakas  with this concept, because based on passages quoted below (A. i 197), they claim that there is not a certain amount of time to be expected, except that the notion of time Simple. These phenomena ... as is understood in the 5 aggregates (nama and rupa), it would be anticipated.

(1) Th: - If notions like that, there must be this time as one of the five aggregates. Of course, is not like that.

(2) This is very clear whether He took the time that is past, future or present.

(3) He said that any past a certain aggregates, or excellent list constitute the past, any future aggregates or any existing aggregates constitute the future or present tense. So there must be 5 times past, the future 5, 5 times the current budget?  (1)

(4) There are 15 time star? or, if we recognize the origin of the past 12, 12 Origin Futurism, 12 current origin, there must be 36 times all reasonable?

(5) Or, if we examine the world with 18 to 54 times reasonable? or is 22 the right to a reasonable 66 time?

(6) But is Buddha once said, "Monks have three issues raised. What are the three? One could talk about the past: It's time has passed, or is told about the future: It is the time will come, or are talking about the present time: It is the time of existence ". Therefore, make sure that time is whether the first?

4. ISSUES OF TIME OBSERVATION NA(Khanalayamuhuttakatha)

Rate debate : Any point of time are also anticipated.

According to Note : This concept is like the previous concept (reasoning as above).

5. Illegal PROBLEMS OR (Asavakatha)

Rate debate : Four smuggled contraband situation itself failed  (2)

According to Note : This concept of sect  Hetuvadins . Above all do not have a legal long called contraband that other measures might call "corresponds to the illicit", so long as the scene itself is not illegal.

(1) Th: - So he must also prepare to classify them with one of these illegal measures such as strolling through the non-scene, Nirvana, one of the four Paths and the Fruits, one of the factors of enlightenment. Of course this can not be graded

(2) H: - If I'm wrong, I ask him to show me any illegal contraband corresponds yet, which is called contraband scene.

6. ISSUES Laozi (Jaramaranakatha)

Rate debate : Old age and death of the law itself is super-legal world superpower.

In Note : Old age and death are not anticipated, and therefore it is not classed as "mundane" or "superpower". Phai  Mahasanghika s and some other sects had not understood the issue.

(1) Th: - Well, he has to prepare for old age and death classified legal one superpower. Paths, results, Nirvana. Such as Lao Tzu has directed project to save religion itself is reasonable? If he rejects the argument that he made untenable. If he agrees, he also must apply the argument that he launched with all the other saints floor and said that old age and death of Arhat fruit, fruit on its own is also Arhat.This he can not be applied. Just as he is not prepared to admit old age and death are determined with any public enlightenment factor.

(2) M: - Well, there must be Lao Tzu's approach is super mundane world?

He refused. Therefore, it should be legal so superpower.

7. Meditation ETERNAL LIFE ISSUES CONCEPT RESTRICTION (Sannavedayitakatha)

Rate debate : When attained samadhi is France Extinction Tho Tuong superpower.

In Note : Because the law is called attaining Concentration Meditation Thought Life Extinction is not a legal but its status is stopped the aggregates, so the attainment was not the mundane as well as legal measures lokuttara . However sect  Hetuvadins  argue that this state is certainly not mundane, how should it be so super.

(A theory as well as on the XV, 5 and 6)

ETERNAL LIFE ISSUES CONCEPT 8. RESTRICTION (II)(Dutiyasannayedayitkatha)

Rate debate : When attained destroy life thought to be mundane measures.

(1) Th: - So he must also be prepared to classify this attainment is one of the mundane legal recognition. Five aggregates, one of the three realms (sexuality, gender identity, or formless). This He refused.

(2) Similar to 6 (2)

9. Meditation ETERNAL LIFE ISSUES CONCEPT RESTRICTION (III) (Tatiyasannavedayitakatha)

Rate Debate:  A person can die while Tuong Dinh Tho Import Killing meditation.

According to Note:  This concept of sect  Rajagirikas  and some other sects, said that life is uncertain, even kill people who are entering life thought meditation on mortality can also no better than other people. This argument that there is a right time and died untimely.

(1) Th: - So he must also accept that in entering the meditation kill, all levels of this state is in a state of dying - as contact, feeling, perception, Wednesdays, Range ... But he co Notice that all the states of mind are without dying. So the argument that he made untenable

(2) Moreover he must agree to this: not only for the grade is entered meditation Kill all absent state of mind: that even death could not have heart.

(3) Moreover, there may yet poison, sword or fire affects the body levels are entered meditation Extinction? He refused, he agreed to the opposite as above, the causes of death could not affect his grade. Then, he could do to maintain his thesis that launched it?

(4) Or, maybe he said that poison, the sword or the fire that affects the body this level? Are the attainment without really?

R .: - But in opposition to the views that I put forward, he implies that there must be some guidelines are given for entry level Killing meditation, certainly not dead. If he said that the judgment does not exist, then his argument can not stand.

(5) Th: - But a person who has the mind consciousness is not dying, although there is no certain principles in order for them to avoid death. From here, I am assured an entry level electronic meditation can not differentiate Extinction.

10. Meditation ETERNAL LIFE ISSUES CONCEPT RESTRICTION
(which led to the plane formless) (Asannasattupikatha )

Rate Debate:  Nirvana's Life is formless mindless reborn.

According to Note:  This concept of sect  Hetuvadins,  they do not distinguish between the two forms of meditation enter Removal (a) merely of mundane, ordinary person practice is and (b) of the superpower. Only the first form leads to rebirth in the realm of mindless following forms still are not.

(1) Th: - What can he say that a person is entering Zen's Killing 3 charity also very involved, adosa, si, also Tin, Can, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom? There must be no reverse case or what? ...

(2) Of course, he admits a Killing who enter meditation without the reaction of nomenclature Thought, Life, Action, Drama ...? But he could not maintain that Truth can be practiced in the absence of reaction of this nomenclature.

(3) Finally, his argument implies that all those who enter Life Extinction mindless meditation tend reborn formless. This he must deny ...

(4) Q: - But He admitted, in any case, the grades are entered Removal meditation meditation without the mind, in the realms that this person did not have the heart. From here, I still maintain this trend as a fact.

11. PROBLEMS AND RESEARCH RESERVE NOW NGGHIEP(Kammupaccayakatha)

Rate Debate:  Karma is a longer storage method is an alternative now.

According to Note:  The concept of sect  Andhakas  and  Sammitiyas  that the now independent store now.

(1) Th: - So, is he prepared to admit each element nomenclature as reactive mind with Perception,, as well as Tin Heart, Need, Mindfulness, Concentration and Wisdom, as well as 10 negativity. Did this have to each store from now? Of course not. How then would he confirm that his thesis was given.

(2) Again, did he imply hoarding arises now, whether now existing? He rejects you? But think again, he agreed, then there is a kind of good karma arises together with good karma accumulation with him?He did not agree to star? He had to admit it. So great career Tho respectively, are two conascence with its hoard of now there is no corresponding respectively Tho.

(3) Similarly so for now Immoral now.

(4) Again, of course, he had to admit that now arises with heart and knows the scene, but he was not admitted as much to the accumulation of karma. He agrees that arises now with heart and mind are destroyed when killed (in the process of consciousness). But in his opinion about the difference between the mind and the accumulation of karma. He had said that when the mind destroy the accumulation of karma is not destroyed. Thus, we can say that the cessation of the process industry as well as the mind and the sequence of the hoard continues to arise.

(5) Moreover, he admitted that the accumulation of which now exists where there now, surely this implies: the storage industry and is now one and the same ... storage capacity now exists where there exists now. The results generated from his hoard, and so he must conclude that there is no difference between now and the accumulation of karma and karmic results. however this still reject Him.

He now admits he knew the scene and of course also like to acknowledge for work, was born from the hoard exists now is a natural thing, even while he acknowledged that the place where it now now there is a hoard of fruit born.

(6) Finally, do not ever Exalted theory that "Hey puñña · When someone take action by body, speech and mind evil or good. Because then they will act born on animal suffering or pleasure. .. There are corresponding feeling ... happiness, pain, suffering non-communication in the realm of non-humanity, gods or Asura ... and I declared heir is born of the industrial heritage "? (1) That is not rational to say that now is a part, and now the store is part of the other.

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CHAPTER XVI

1. ISSUES tame TAM (Niggahakatha)

Rate debate : A person can overpower the other person's mind.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Mahasanghikas , said that the attainment of Tha clearinghouse (flesh) is only meaningful when tame the mind of others.

(1) Th: - Is He said: A man can tame the mind of another person not to greed, hatred and delusion, do not become confused and do not be bothered? Of course he refused ... But that's how he can sustain his argument is? Or does he say: A person can suppress heart of another person is born not for killing, such as sensation, perception, ... Property Investment? Likewise he refused

(2) Or does he give that one person can do for another person to make an end heart charity, courts or other legal immoral? Does the practice of Truth, or any other meditative analysis of a public enlightenment factor is also due to other people? In the quarterfinals Empire: Perception of suffering, take Episode paragraph, Cessation and developing realizations are also directed by someone else. After all he had to say: Anyone interested can also make other people happy or miserable, the action and the other is experienced? If he refuses, he must reject the views which he himself made.

(3) But does Buddha have urged that: "How evil .. by us. Indeed, contaminated well by us.  Just because we do not do evil. Because of me, I will be purged. clean or polluted, depending where we are, do not do to others is pure "?  (1)   Thus, definitely wrong to say that a man can tame the mind of another person.

(4) M: - But there is no evidence to reach Tha clearinghouse or what? Make sure that this includes a person with the ability to control another mind.

2. PROTECTION ISSUES FOCUS LEAD OTHERS(Paggahakatha)

Rate debate : A person could uphold (help) another person's mind.

According to Note : This view of the sect also  Mahasanghikas .

(1) Th: - Is He said that a person can help someone else mind, suppressing another person's mind has no greed, no courts, no dark maze, or not being bothered ...? Or a person can do for another person born center base as alobha friendly, adosa, si, kindness and fairness. Intellectual or any right one as Tin, Can, Mindfulness. Concentration, Tue ... (The rest is like above)

3. COMMITTEE ISSUES STATEMENT HAPPINESS (FOR OTHERS) (Sukhanuppadana Katha)

Rate debate : One person can give happiness to another person.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Hetuvadins .

(1) Th: - His argument implies that one person can cause suffering to others. But he denies this, while he maintains the opposite view when it comes to happiness.

(2) Moreover, on the other hand he implies that he can give other people the happiness of his own or other people's happiness, or the happiness of one person to the other. He refused, then who is her happiness?

After all, He implied that anyone who also make other people miserable or happy, which means that while an action, the others have experienced.

(3) Q. - But is Venerable  Udayin  once said: "Blessed One had limited suffering and bring happiness to all beings, HE gave us happiness"?  (1)   Therefore, one can proclaim the happiness of others.

4. ISSUES IMPACT Italy (Adhiggayamanasikarakatha)

Rate debate : A person can work in attention to many things at once.

According to Note : This concept of Gender  pubbaseliyas  and  Aparaseliyas , so not distinguish (a) volition toward a single object of interest in a certain time; (b) the intention of the minister towards real things are impermanent, so there is a single object of interest from the past or the future, may be the intention of a certain time.

(1) Th .: - Is He implies that we know by heart the intention of him? He refused (because the mind can not both be the subject, both the object at the same time). But I repeat the question to him again and now he agrees. So, we understand this in mind the kind of mind that we have the intention? He refused, but I repeat the question again, then he agreed. So there must be the center of attention that is the object that reasonable? He refused, as I repeated the question, then he agreed. Then we touch with the emotional contact with him? Are we feeling with his own life? Similar reasoning for the idea, Justice, Tam, Tam, Four, Joy, Mindfulness, Wisdom? If he refused, then he was denied confirmation of his first ...

(2) When we work the past by the past, is the main intention of Futurism Futurism was it? He refused.But when I repeated the question, then he agreed. Then, there are two parallel coordination in the process of the mind ... And if we replace "current" to "Futurism". If you said that we can in the past when working with primary attention to the past, then we can also work to the future or the present with the future or present it. So we can classify three mental processes that parallel.

(3-4) similar argument to be replaced for the time switch.

(5) P. A: - But did the Buddha have urged that "With pure IP label, steps and saw him clearly comprehend the impermanence of the law of life, suffering boredom this level? That is the purify polluted street ... brain ... Suffering Anatta ... "?  (1)   So we can work in the legal standard to all at once.

5. LEGAL IDENTITY ISSUES ARE FRIENDLY STAFF(Ruppamhetutikatha)

Rate debate : Sac's law is good.

According to Note : "Human" ( Hetu ) here is just one of six special people - greed, hatred and delusion, very involved, adosa, ignorance, or more generally, any public or predestined relationship predestined. Phai  Uttarapathakas  irrespective so, but based on the teachings of the Buddha "Four four great colors make excellent conditions for the birth"  (1)   should be declared human material could be improved.

(1) Th: - His view implies that:

i - Form 1 in 6 workers law is good or bad.
ii - Legal Lust Scene is an ownership interest and the attention, the attention ... From these two covers, he does not agree? So he could not sustain his argument that offer.

(2-3) In fact, he maintained the opposite view, to (ii) completely theoretical rationality that applies only to 6 people, but it is absurd for the material.

(4) U. - But there are four elements to identity is not predestined for Biomedical Excellence born or what? Of course, he agreed. So, Sac Great, Sac measures are charming (though he also understood coast).

6. LEGAL ISSUES ARE LEGAL IDENTITY PRIVATE PROPERTY (Rupasahetukantikatha)

Rate debate : Sac's law is compounded.

In Note:  Like the previous point.

(1) Th: - These are:

i - It must correspond to one or more of the 6's wholesome or unwholesome.
ii - Scene It must know and have the characteristics of interest such as attention, expectations ... (see above).

(2) If he admits that righteousness, charity, and from countless human mind is good, said the scene, including all the features of nomenclature such as attention, longing v .. v .. then he must also describe phenomena by words like that.

(3) And if so, he could not deny the legal character of Sac properties nor deny the moral roots.

(4) U. - But is not included in the material predestined or stars? He agreed. Well, certainly a lot of sense to assume that the law is compounded's Sac so.

7. LEGAL IDENTITY ISSUES moral and immoral (Rupamkusalakusalantikatha)

Rate debate : Lust is moral and immoral law.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Mahasanghikas  and  Sammitiyas , based on the Buddhist discourse "of deed and speech acts are moral and immoral". For such actions, we see as manifested through the behavior and language, so they think the legal expression of Excellence related to moral and immoral.

(1) Th .: - Is He implies that: Lust is a legal method known scene and have the characteristics of the property such as: attention, yearning ...? He certainly agree the opposite is rational?

(2) And he can define his approach to 3 or 5 good human rights (with nouns like).

(3) But this method is not suitable for material ...

(4-6) The same argument for human material to be immoral.

(7) MS: - But there must be body and Export industry is now not so good or bad? Then, make sure that Sac-related measures are also moral and immoral.?

8. LEGAL ISSUES ARE EXCELLENT RESULTS acclimatized(Rupamvipakotikatha)

Rate debate : Sac outcome measures acclimatized.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas  and  Sammitiyas , interest and ownership that arise due to heart now, so they think that such phenomena arise the results now.

(1) Th: - Is He implies that material is Life, Life Lac, unpleasant, indifferent, non pleasures, also corresponds to the life, Promotion, Justice, Mind, Matter also has special measures ownership interest as attention, yearning ...? If he agrees, he could not maintain the argument that he launched.

(2) All these phenomena are characteristic of a physical, not of matter. But he said that the outcome of legal Sac, do not have the character of the list, which was new properties for results.

(3) AS: - But there is ownership interest, arising from the action, not the star fruit? Then, make sure Sac legal action arising through heterosexual mature fruit is affordable?

9. LEGAL IDENTITY ISSUES IN GENDER IDENTITY and formless (rūpain rupavacararupavacarantikatha)

Rate debate : Legal Matter belongs: i) Land gender identity; ii) formless realm.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , said the legal action was born from the heavenly realms and realms that belong to, so if the identity was born in the realms of action and formless world, it also belong to this world.

(1) Th: - Well, he must express rupa, seeking the attainment of meditation, for the students in the realms continue to live happily in the present conditions, corresponds to seek certification center reaching the rebirth and live in that Pure hanhphuc, coexist with interest, corresponds to the center, at birth, and kill, and base, and at the scene with interest.

(2) And he must also express phenomena such as nouns that we apply in part (i). But the opposite is not rational for both (i) and (ii) why?

(3) A .: - But there must be born by the legal Excellence in Education created the world now is not of this realm? if so, then as now arises material created in other realms and realms that exist in the law certainly belongs in the realm Sac gender identity or rather what formless realms.

10. IDENTITY ISSUES AND formless AI AI (Ruparago rupadhatupariyapannoti adikatha)

Rate debate : Sac formless love and compassion related to gender identity and formless.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , like they were conceived in terms of charity XIV.7 of the heavenly realm in general.

(1) Th: - Arguments in subsection (1) Chapter XVI 9.

(2) And he could not maintain his position without accepting that corresponds to the sound, smell, taste, touch .... And the silence Ai, Ai exposure also relates to silent world, international exposure?

(3) If he can not confirm that statement later, he also can not exclude the previous clause.

(4) Survey of (ii) in relation to Ai formless world Immaterial. Presented arguments as in (XVI. 9i).

(5-6) Similarly, a second part of my argument is presented in (XVI. 10, 2). If his notions stand (rational), then the craving of every form (label Ai, Ai ... Ai itself atria) must also relate to the world in his realm as (Label World, .. . of body). He could not rule out contact Ai Formless Formless world.

(7) A .: - But is craving not related to the realms stars? Then, make sure that he can not be exempted and Ai Ai formless identity in the realm of gender identity and formless.

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CHAPTER XVII

1. ISSUES Arhat AND RESEARCH RESERVE merit (atthi Arahato Punnupacayotikatha)

Rate debate : There is merit in hoarding case of an Arhat.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , says an Arhat can still give alms to monks material resources, pay homage to the stupa and do other good deeds, so this level is still hoard blessings.

(1) Th: - If the level Arhat still hoarding blessings, He would have to admit that this level can also accumulate sin.

(2) Similarly, he would have to admit that the level Arhat still creating good karma leading to industrial estates and industrial (formless realms), this level is still a cause reborn this or other worlds, self-reported body (life) or the other, the bourgeois level, a lot of people have backed the millionaire ranks, the heir, the people have more assets in the realm of gods and mankind ...

(3) Moreover, he also had to admit that the level of this industry, steps Arhat contained or to burden down now, annihilation (now) or industrial attachment, do now dispersed or concentrated industry. If Arhat level depends these things put the burden down this level, did disperse, and dashed away like that, then his argument is not acceptable.

(4) A: - But Arhat level can not be the act of giving clothes, bowls, as the food, medical treatment, or food and drink? This level can not be bowed stupa, in completely stupa and make offerings, incense and flowers on the stupa stars? You can do not bow before the stupa or what? He accepted this. But all these actions tend to accumulate merit.

2. ISSUES Arhat AND DEATH sudden death (Natthi Arahato Akalamaccutikatha)

Rate debate : Tier Arhat can not (yet have one) died from sudden death.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Rajagirikas  and  Siddhatthikas , so be careful not understand the following texts (paragraph 5). They said that an Arhat have abnormalities leading independent life from all results before attained now, so can not be dying from sudden death.

(1) Th: - Well, there must be no killing Career Arhat not? He said that there are people who kill Arhat level.

(2) Any person who won the life of an Arhat, this person has to kill the Arhat level while alive or when dead? If killed during his lifetime (the Arhat death sudden death) He could not maintain the argument that he made. If killing the dead, there is no such person, and murder on his acceptance to be false.

(3) Again, to accept that, poisoned weapons, or could fire into the body of the Arhat. If so, it's obvious the Arhat can die from sudden death.

(4) But if he denies, then no one's watching.

(5) RS: - But did the Buddha once said: "Monks, I can not claim the destruction of karma ... It's going to result now in this life or in the life after. "  (1)   So there is no sudden death for a death Arhat.

3. ISSUES all due INDUSTRY (Sabbamidamkammatotikatha)

Rate Debate:  It all now.

According to Note:  This concept of  Rajagirikas  and  Siddhatthikas , based on the following passage (ph.4) They say now reincarnation, rebirth and afflictions are caused by industrial recovery penalty.

(1 th. - So he said that freedom is now so now? and does he imply that "all these things are merely the result is over now?" He must accept that, what he would have refused.

(2) Again, by his argument, he implies that all things (not from now) arise from its fruit. If he refused, they must reject the first argument is always his. If he agrees, he must imply that killing a person is not so now, but now is the result of, he agreed, right? Then kill the fruit itself? Does he agree? then now is the result of result: he rejects you? then this industry has no effect and no killing of the results now ....

(3) This argument applies similarly for the negative actions such as stealing, lying, saying piercing, non-time say, say aggressive, boastful, robbed, pick byline, misconduct sex, destroying homes in villages or provinces ... Likewise also applies to deeds: giving things to the monks. If any action is now, and as result of the fruit itself. Then the results of the industry itself also born fruit or any action is moral or immoral, nor have the results now.

(4) RS: - But did the Buddha have urged that: "Due to the rotation of the industrial life; by now being propelled into existence. All beings are bound by the terms of the industry as the wheels are print run on the road ... how can I say no on life "  (2)   so be sure that all of them by now, right?

4. ISSUES AND CONTENTS hard to IMPORT (Indriyabbhakatha)

Rate Debate:  The suffering is all that is tied to the feeling.

In Note:  Suffering ( dukkha ) is understood in two senses: bound for Rights and is not bound.According to the first meaning, concerning the suffering, endured; following sense, implies suffering unbearable capabilities with the law of impermanence to the laws of that being destroyed. But the sect Hetuvadins  not distinguish these two meanings should assume that merely feeling pain suffering form the substrate, if understood the teachings of Buddha, the entire life (five aggregates) are within the control of Dry.

(1) Th .: - But arbitrarily He said any legal only bound to the new sensation is impermanent, is compounded and is predestined, decay, disintegration, change. But is all of the above is not suitable for non-sense or what? if he agrees, he denies allegations that he himself made.

(2) He said that what he would not be accepted, what measures are not tied to the feeling is impermanent ... But that does not is suffering. But if he calls any measures tied to feeling "Likewise is impermanent, fortunate ... Is He did not say:" This is not suffering "? If he denies (by holistic His point given that he must deny) then He is not contradictory to say that: "France does not feel bound to the law that is suffering?"

(3) Did the Buddha once said that, whatever is impermanent is suffering? And there must be non-sense nor impermanent or what?

(4) H .: - he denies the accuracy of the argument that I made. But by the way, he said that those who keep the noble virtues, in the Buddhist understanding that: France, nor bound to feel is suffering any legal base and not tied to the feeling also is dukkha.

Th. - Can not say that.

H .: - Moreover, he acknowledges this: pain is legal empire, nor bound to feel with knowledge of the label, this suffering will not born, again despite the feeling bound or not bound to feel. He refused ... But I still believe that my argument is rational.

5. ISSUES AND hard to Qingdao (Thapetvariyamaggantikatha)

Rate Debate:  Except for the noble, the other compounded might call "suffering".

According to Note:  This concept of sect  Hetuvadins , because Noble is Exalted in prison to such claims: "The path leading to the cessation of suffering."

(1 th. - So, he called to ultimate star is Suffering? If he refused, he could not maintain the argument that he made. If he agrees, is his claim that only 3 soles? If he refused, his argument is untenable. If he agrees, he does not go against the teaching of the Four Noble Truths Buddha: Suffering - Episode - Extinction - Path?

(2) Then, if he accepts that file format is also suffering in some sense soles which he affirmed like about this?

Q .: - As the meaning of impermanence.

Th. - But Noble, are impermanent not?

H .: - Yes.

Th. - So why Noble also is suffering?

He said that religion is impermanent but is Suffering, while dotap are both impermanent is suffering (which he can not sustain ...)

(3) Q .: - But if "Path is the path to the cessation of suffering", I still maintain that all compounded else is suffering, the path, the exception.

6. ISSUES AND LIFE INSURANCE INCREASE USE merit(Navattabbam Sangho dukkhinampatigganhatiti Katha)

Rate debate : Do not say Sangha received alms.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Vetulyakas , believe Sangha, in the ultimate sense, only the direction and results, not so-called Sangha received anything.

(1) Th: - But there is no level to Increased security offerings, worthy received, good hands, is a complete blessing noble beings?

So how can mistakes be saying Sangha received alms?

(2) Is Exalted has declared in the most noble generosity toward 4 doubles, 8 they?

(3) And there must be no saints is complete blessing of mankind or what?

(4) Finally there must Exalted have urged that: "The most noble alms offerings to the Sangha, have the highest rank. SSU was tremendous generosity as geologic rainwater from the crowd big cloud "...?Then, make sure Sangha received alms.

(5) M .: - But Way could receive (alms affordable). Admission may result ...?

7. INCREASE SECURITY ISSUES AND CLEAN alms (Na Vattadham Sangho dukkhinam Visodhetitikatha)

Rate debate : Do not say Sangha is complete blessing of giving.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Vetulyakas , they also said that the Sangha is understood in the sense Paths and the Fruits should not be a complete blessing of giving.

(1-2) Theories like on (XVII 6 (1.2).

(3) And there must be someone offering to monks rise, to the benefit?

(4) But is Truth, blessed is the fruit of being filled?

8. SECURITY ISSUES AND THE OVERALL INCREASE(Navattabhamsangho bhunajatitikatha)

Rate debate : should not say that the increased security was "interesting", "eating".

According to Note : This view of the sect also  Vetulyakas .

(1) Th: - But he had to admit there are people offering food to the monks both: casual bloggers and in special cases, both; rice cooked with milk or water.

(2) Furthermore, the Buddha has already prepared the meals and non-time-date. (1)

(3) Did the Buddha was about 8 types of secondary institutions drink: "mango juice, fruit brooch, fruit seeds, banana seeds, fruit label, fruit market, water lotus root tea and water bar"  (2)   World then, how he can maintain his opinion given.

(4) M: - But is the Path or fruit, and eat and drink ... is or what?

9. UP SECURITY ISSUES AND RESULTS OF almsgiving(Navattabhamsanghassadinnammahapphalantikatha)

Rate debate : Do not say: "Giving to monks is bring tremendous benefits."

According to Note : This view of the sect also  Vetulyakas.

(1-2), Th: - reasoning as above (XVII 6, 12).

(3) But does Buddha have urged that: "Giving to the Exalted and to monks, in this charity, donations to monks and hybrid offerings such as"? (3)

(4) Again, the Buddha had with Lord Sakka theory that: "Those who give to who won 4 and 4 Fruit Way called alms to increase, it will be many treasures tremendous results, because this level full virtue, to wisdom. the fruit of this will much alms as wide as the sea ... Those who give alms, and pointed to Increase the fruits will be big, big benefit ... He blessed karma intellectual virtues, which ranks irreproachable and after death be reborn happily ... "?  (1)   So alms to monks bring huge benefits.

10. BUDDHA AND RESULT PROBLEMS (OF) almsgiving(Navattabbambuddhassadinnammahapphalantikatha)

Rate debate : Do not say: "Offering the Buddha is bringing enormous benefits."

According to Note : This concept of sect  Vetulysakas , said that Buddha lived in this world manifested by the age should not have anything, so there's no real offerings bring benefits to him.

(1) Th: - but there must Blessed teacher of gods and mankind, Career Chi Shanghai, Chi honor of gods and men no one comparable, no one equaled, none equal to Him: then how come He offered no big gourd?

(2) There is someone equal to him about sex, the Wisdom ...?

(3) And is Exalted have urged that: "In this life or another, could not find anyone better or equal, can match up with As hybrid, hybrid As significant is the degree offerings is supreme field of merit. " So make sure that the offerings to the Buddha is bring great benefits, great taste fruit.

11. ISSUES IN CLEAN alms (charity's) (Dakkhinavisuddhikatha)

Rate debate : giving only to those who are pure and impure offerings to those who received.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas .

(1) Th: - But who acknowledged the generosity does not rank worthy of offerings, worthy of respect, is the ultimate blessing of the gods filled and Humanity?

(2) Is Exalted has declared on 4 Double 8 they are worth offering or what level?

(3) And there is no person to give alms to a Stream, Best hybrid, Real hybrid, Arhat, which is huge gourd? So, how can he maintain his thesis that make?

(4) U .: - But if pure generosity on the part of the recipient, does He not do to others becomes clean?There must be someone who does not make someone else happy or miserable? Does a person who sowed and others awarded reasonable?

Th: - But is Exalted has declared: "Ananda, there are four ways pure generosity. What four?

- Giving in to the people clean, impure towards the recipient.
- Pure generosity towards the recipient, not to the people pure.
- Giving clean on both sides.
- Giving no 2 clean on both sides. "  (1)

So, definitely wrong to say: "The only pure generosity towards people without clean on the receiver side."END=NAM MO CAKYA MOUNI BUDDHA.( 3 TIMES ).VIETNAMESE TRANSLATE ENLIGLISH BY=THICH CHAN TANH.THE MIND OF ENLIGHTENMENT.WORLD VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST ORDER=VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST NUN=GOLDEN LOTUS MONASTERY=AUSTRALIA,SYDNEY.28/10/2016.MHDT.