Chapter IV

1. Lay ISSUES AND Arhat (Gahissa arahatikatha)

Rate debate : A layman may be Arhat level.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapattakas,  as seen Yasa - son of great wealth, and others attained Arhat fruit while still living family life, they said that a man lay still can be an Arhat.

(1 ) Theravadins:  - He said that a layman can be the Arhat level. But with this concept, he implies an Arhat level still has slopes (the bands) of a layman. He said: "The fare is no longer available to the Arhat level again". Thus, how a layman can become Arhat level is?

(2) For your Arhat, the slope was the total extinction, cut off the roots, such as a broken tree tops Tala, not likely arise in the future. He could say the same to a layman who does not?

(3) He admitted never have a layman (like) no bondage, finally living the life, but also with all sorrow.

(4) Are there texts in which the wanderer pagan  Vacchagatta  asked Buddha: "O Venerable Gotama, does not have absolute layman defilements, with the mortality will end all suffering "? and Buddha replied: "No, this Vacchagatta, no such". (1)

(5) Again, in his confirmation, he implies an Arhat level is still contact with the opposite sex, still endure the suffering in life, still make sex arises , still children, still have fun, still dresses with velvet and canvas fine, still used fabrics  Kasi , still use aromatherapy and anointing oils applied (for smooth hair), has received gold, silver and still get sheep, chickens, pigs, elephants, goats, cattle, horses, mules, partridge, quail, chicken curved tail, pheasant, white scarf with silk sheets, could be the owner for life - this, of course he refused.

(6)  Uttarapathakas:  - If the mistake in my view why Prince Yasa, chief Uttiga and Brahmin Setu has attained Arhat when they were still a layman?

2. ISSUES KEEP STUDENTS (Upapattikatha)

Rate debate : A person can become Arhat level both at birth continue.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas , said that while there may be heart will bear an Arhat. They did not care when applying metallic Buddha's discourse "Once born by means of chemical delivery in the high heavens, the existence of the body was completely full"  (2)  , or that they have changed the word  "Upahacca"  the word  "Uppaja"  and the meaning changed from "the existence of the first half time of life" to "being full time student just continue."

(1-2) Sat .: - he defined his position, but he again refused a person can become a Stream, the First Tier hybrid, or hybrid tier Real continuously when newly born.

(3) He can not mention an Arhat does - even the disciples - the Arhat time just keep bearing, like Sariputta or  Moggallana, Kassapa, Kaccayana, Kotthika  or Panthaka .

(4) Really he has refused all of these people.

(5-6) Survey will bear our attention: It is being run for the rebirth is desire, a heart is so mundane, scene of gonorrhea, ... disturbing scene. Maybe this mind attained Arhat not? there must be a production center's called samsara, enlightenment, attain, freed from defilements and afflictions ...?Does this interest was the total extinction of craving, hatred, delusion and distraction? Is this is the Noble Center, Satipatthana, Four primary needs ...  Seven Enlightenment? Could this mind comprehended Suffering, collective annihilation sole, insole Killing realization, and success Noble Truth? All of this, of course, he must deny.

(7) Or is the heart of St. Prince attained the highest floor (Arhat) and the Centre will bear fruit to the Arhat? Again, he refused. Therefore, given his views have been proven to be false.

3. ISSUES Arhat AND PERSPECTIVES Illegal (Anasavakatha)

Rate debate : All measures of Tier Arhat smuggled into non scenes.  (1)

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas , that all depends on a legal Arhat, who annihilation taints  (Asavas)  have escaped the defilements.

(1)  Theravadins: -  All non-scenes legal director contraband is 4, 4 eggs, Nirvana and The 37 Qualities; but this law is not the law of your all Arhat (average during the renovation).

(2) Such as 5 of your Soul Arhat (Labels, ear, nose, tongue, body). He could not be called a non-exit law illegally. So his opinion is not acceptable.

(3) Again, your body is still bound, was cut off, destroyed, divided by crows, hawks and vultures. Is this what is called "non-scene contraband" do not?

(4) The poison and weapons can enter the body of the Arhat and fire or knives that can destroy itself. Is this what is called "non-scene contraband" do not?

This has sworn body of the detainees, was taken prisoner, possibly tied in seconds, in handcuffs, can be arrested locked up in a village, the provincial, city or county cup, can be imprisoned, or arrest. Is this what is called "non-scene contraband" do not?

(5) Moreover, if an Arhat clothing alms to an ordinary person, is clothing that "illegal non-scene" became the scene is not illegal? He can accept this in the name of the general, but he had to accept the non-landscape approach can also become illegal contraband scene it? If he agrees, then like clothes, the other belongs to your noble virtues Arhat like: Path, previous results are non-scene and then became the scene smuggled contraband.

(6) Similarly, apply such reasoning to the real character of generosity, couch and medicines.

(7) Or conversely, if an ordinary person or y rise.

(8) The other necessary materials to the Arhat, did things before the scene was illegal, by the way, but become illegal non-scene? Are these illegal measures before the situation then becomes non scenes contraband such as love, hatred, and delusion ... distractions (such as constraints and characteristics of the ordinary).

(9)  Uttarapathakas: -  He criticized our views. But there must be Tier Arhat not liberate the illegally or without? If this level were freed, I say that all the contact methods so he also (non-pirated scenes).

4. ISSUES achievement (Samannagatakatha)

Rate debate : A certificate attain the fruit half Spare still low after attaining a higher performance (spare half: keep, continue to use).

In Note : There are two types of attainment: The attainment of the present day and the attainment of the following the next time. But some schools as  Uttarapathakas  said that there is a different from the past attained a permanent attainment ( Pattidhammo ) in the realm of gender identity and formless.

Phai  Theravadins  that without such an attainment, but only wanted to see the case when the holy stories high, it must pass the lower floors have attained saint.

(1-2)  Theravadins: -  In fact, he said that an Arhat level Spare still united with 4 eggs, with 3 levels Real future results, level crossing with two fruit First, and as such, he must also accept that level Arhat half with four contact spare, 4 thought, 4 private, 4 Center, 4 credits, 4 need, 4 anniversary, 4 Property;any steps forward, then half with 3 spare contact ..., 3 Property, Best Career spare hybrid union with contact ... 2 2 Property. These things have to reject Him.

(3) Again, if one level Arhat fruit spare with the first half, the second result and the third result this level must also have real character of a Stream (third paragraph fetters), First grade hybrid (weakening two more fetters) and Career Real hybrid (except the lower part fetters 5). Therefore, this position is seen as one and all (4 places) in the same time. This is an absurdity.

(4) The same argument applies to attain certification level Monday and Tuesday.

(5) Again, he admitted a half to spare Career Project results must be called straight up as "Tier Project save", but there must be the same person that is both a Stream is just steps Arhat not? Similarly, for two different results.

(6) In the same way then, there must be the same as someone who is both a hybrid Best Career both a Stream, or both a superlative level just any hybrid hybrid?

(7) Does he not accept a level Arhat still keep the first results are expected to save results? He agreed;therefore he could not maintain his position was.

(8-18) Because, if he maintains firmly that level Arhat spare still united to save the results expected, the First hybrid fruit, fruit that he recaptured passed, he must accept this position with all the negativity that a Stream, the First Real hybrid hybrid and make an end to them. This is ridiculous. Similarly, the arguments for religion and other fruit such as Real hybrid, and hybrid Nhat.

(19-21)  Uttarapathakas: -  But if wrong to say that the level of spare Arhat half with 4 eggs, without a ball, any level without crossing with 3 to 1, and 2 crossed with that superlative 1. is He not the refusal Career Arhat accomplished 4 eggs and leave them indestructible. Any hybrid Tier 3 ... then? This does not deny Him. so a lot of sense to say: this level of spare These agreements with 4 eggs, 3 fruits and 2 results.

(22-24) Th: - I have to admit that this saint attained the results and not leave them damage. But he admitted that the saint still united with the outcome spare, I said that he could not identify a class of beings that the saint in her spare respective agreements with directors (with each step up our conclusion that his argument is untenable given the conception of the Saints).

5. EXHAUST ISSUES FOR CLASS SCHEDULE Arhat(Upekkhasamannagatakatha)

Rate debate : Tier Arhat union with Luc exhaust spare.

In Note : some sects that an Arhat can enter the discharge of the continental mainland official in the same time. This concept (for the transfer) can not be happening.

(1)  Theravadins:  - In view of this acceptance, he implied level Arhat undergoing (simultaneously) record contact (between the five consciousness, consciousness and their objects), green life, green concept , green investment, green ... But this wisdom he refused.

(2) Tier Arhat use the five senses and consciousness in the same moment.

(3) Tier Arhat continental union with spare exhaust discharge and is still regularly record exists, uninterrupted, continuous with this position - both of which he declined.

(4) Delegation of the opposition: - He acknowledges an Arhat level with discharge record, if this is not acknowledged in the opinion of us?

6. ISSUES ENLIGHTENMENT (Bodhiyabuddhotikakatha)

Rate debate : Through Tue enlightenment, a step to become a Buddha (Enlightened One).

According to Note : " Bodhi " 2 means equivalent: a) Tue 4 noble realization; b) the omniscient wisdom of a Buddha. Some sects like  Uttarapathakas , do not distinguish these two meanings called a "Buddha" is due to the enlightened wisdom, like a character called white because outside of a white object, an object called black for the exterior of the black object. According  Theravadins , a position known as "Buddha" must have two kinds of this knowledge.

(1)  Theravadins:  - If the liberating knowledge that a person becomes "Enlightened One", when freed Tue consume and stopped, halted then called African Career Enlightenment. He denies this, but in my opinion he has given this implied.

(2) Or is it an Enlightened One Tue merely freed from the past? Of course he refused this. (So ​​my opinion is accepted before). If he agrees, he said that there must be a Buddha action (go bowl, lectures ...) merely with past knowledge of liberation? If he agrees, he implies that this position clearly comprehend suffering, take Episode paragraph, Cessation attained, the practice also by Wisdom Path of liberation that past. This kite is an absurdity.

(3) Replace the word "liberation Tue past" by "liberating Tue Futurism" and how to apply theory and so on.

(4) Suppose we assume that an order known as the Enlightened One Tue freed by the present: If he accepts Buddha Wisdom robustness actions freed by now, he has to accept the (same) if you he called the Enlightened One Tue liberated by the past, or are:

(5) Due Tue liberated future, with the same knowledge that he comprehended the suffering, the total extinction episode, attainment and training of Extinction, which he refused.

(6-7) If an order has been enlightened by the knowledge of past deliverance or liberation Tue future with the main action without this knowledge, a knowledge Career Enlightenment freed by current inaction by current liberating insight there. It is an absurdity.

(8) Thus, we must accept a level he called the Enlightened One Tue liberation from the past, present or future. Or have all three Tue liberation? If he refused, his acceptance before untenable. If he agrees, he also implies this level there are three ongoing liberation Tue, regular and uninterrupted, three simultaneous existence of this knowledge with him. Of course, he refused.

(9)  Uttarapathakas : - But surely there must be a level known as the Enlightened One, because of the knowledge he attained liberation? How is it that our thesis is wrong?

(10) Th: - based on the way he attained liberation or by Tue Tue liberation but for that one place is the Enlightened One. There must be liberated just as wisdom attained salvation way?

HAO MINISTER ISSUES 7. (Lakkhanakatha )

Rate debate : He has excellent minister (32 general good) is a Bodhisattva.

According to Note : The concept of sect  Uttarapathakas , stemming from misunderstanding the meaning of the text "... He has a good minister of a macho, there are two paths open up ..."  (1)

(1-5)  Theravadins:  - With the perception of him, he has to admit that the person:

(A) have a perfect part minister, part three excellent generals, or generals part two Bodhisattva ideal is a part, is the Bodhisattva one-third, or half of the Bodhisattva. This he refused.

(B) And a universal monarch - who also have good general - is a bodhisattva - Tat, and how to practice, virtues, a lecture, sermon of Bodhisattva how they're Turns the Wheel Blessed is the same;

(C) When the cakkavatti born, gods carried out first and then to hold back mankind to the same as when a new Bodhisattva Christmas.

(D) Four Great Heavenly Kings hold cakkavatti position in front of the Queen, said to him: "Blessed, O Queen, she was born an extraordinary level", like Uranus was cradling Four Bodhisattvas.

(E) There are two cold and warm water taps from out of nowhere, bathing the baby and the mother also happened like in the date of birth of the Bodhisattva.

(F) When the cakkavatti born, standing up, facing north, walking seven steps, each with white lotus lift, he looked around raise up my voice declared, "Heavenly galaxy , solipsistic unique. This is my last life and I will not be reborn in the future. "

(G) There are phenomena in the date of birth as incredible light, radiant light and the earth shook;

(H) of the body, a halo shines all around arm them;

(i) The mother of Bodhisattvas and cakkavatti mother sees the JAG  (2).

All of the above he refused.

(6)  Uttarapathakas:  - But if he rejects our opinion, there should have urged Exalted: "This, monks, a good minister of the macho man has 32 steps and this way only two children street opens without any other way. If you live family life, you will become king cakkavatti, Chau galaxy ruled by four Dharma. the seven treasures are: Xa treasure, treasure statue , Ma treasures, like the jewel, Ngoc female treasure, treasure shogun, and lay treasures. the Prince has thousands of heroes, brave enough to conquer the globe without using army penalties, main legal only. If ordained clergy, this position will be a level Arhat, Enlightenment, except those bound negativity in my life "?  (1)

So there must be our conception is not justified?

8. ISSUES Qingdao of the Bodhisattva (Niyamokkantikatha)

Rate debate : Bodhisattva has attained Noble and celibate life in the teachings of the Buddha  Kassapa (Ca lettuce).

According to Note : this concept of sect  Andhakas , because they misunderstand the texts Ghatikarasutta (central business) about Jotipala as a bodhisattva celibate life under the Buddha Kassapa . In this text, the words "certain witness"  (Niyama ) and the word "holy life"  (brabmacariya) synonymous. In fact, no public evangelism bodhisattva while on the road finishing the three-la-secret law. On the other hand, the Bodhisattva of us has to be a disciple has attained a Stream or First hybrid (under Kassapa Buddha) does not? Buddha  Kassapa  prophesied that "Bodhisattva  Jotipala  will be a Buddha named  Gotama ", here only in the sense that simple.

(1) Th .: - If so, Bodhisattva (our) also is a disciple of the Buddha  Kassapa, he denies this. Because if he agrees, then he must accept the Bodhisattva became Buddha after A disciple is a saint. Moreover, a grade A disciple is learning under the instruction of others, while they themselves enlightened Buddha (Sayambhu) .

(2) Furthermore, if the bodhisattva is the Buddha's disciples  Kasapa  (evangelism and projections up) which means that when under the Bodhi tree. He only realized three attainment. But we know that he had discovered all four of these fruit under the tree.

(3) Moreover, there must be an enlightened person Noble (as a disciple) must practice austerity as a Bodhisattva (the last life)? So who are the masters of the Bodhisattva, Bodhisattva teach life does not last?  (2)

(4) Are we aware that the venerable Ānanda, Citta Hatthaka paternalistic and  Alavakan  were witnessing life of dignity, and the disciples of the Buddha, so does the Buddha, bodhisattvas who practice and celibate during the Buddha  Kassapa  not? Of course he denies this.

(5) If the disciples did witness under the Exalted, and His disciples. He could not accept the Bodhisattva was evangelism and discounts happy life under the Buddha  Kassapa , but not a disciple of the Buddha did. Or can a disciple in her previous life before becoming a disciple fees in the next life? Of course, he does not agree.

(6) AU - But if our opinion wrong, did not have all of the Buddha has declared: "Ananda, Tathagata live noble lives in Kassapa Buddha's time, to realize the ultimate attainment of Futurism "?  (1)

(7) Th: - But there must have all of the Buddha has declared: "As hybrid is the One victory, clear all legal, not all legal attachments, was to eradicate, deliverance binding of craving for ultimate knowledge, who do the right hybrid as revered as a master? no one is master of the Tathāgata both, from the human to the gods, none as hybrid. as the future Job offer applications in life, is no longer level tier cardinals that Pope or more, as is the degree hybrid Enlightenment, ultimate compassion, when the country's population as hybrid to Kasi, legal as far as the current hybrid , far above the immortal music ... As hybrid terminate any source of suffering, cessation of illegal or ... "?  (2)

(8) And there must have all of the Buddha has declared: Monks, the legal unknown, never seen before, never realized, insight, full understanding, has arisen As to future quad-realization through the substrate, pharmaceutical comprehended suffering, and with this sole enlightened As hybrid, hybrid willow As voters are. Likewise with apron, Killing Great, Noble Truth "?  (3)

So, how can he say that the Bodhisattva was evangelism and discounts happy life under Kassapa Buddha?

9. USE ISSUES RESULTS DEPENDING (Aparapi Samannagatakatha)

Rate debate : A grade is practicing to realize Arhat fruit, still spare half with three low results.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , that still retains a level 3 as a result of low achievement  (Patta-dhamma-vasena ).

(1)  Theravadins: -  In fact, he said that such a union with 4 Parts in contact, 4 life, 4 great, private 4, 4 Centre, 4 Credit, needs, thoughts, to Property. This can not be obtained.

(2) Is He also admitted to a similar level to evangelism is practicing the First Real Hybrid and hybrid?in this case, there is a paradox if he acknowledges it - and he must:

(3-4) Given that a person called a Stream while this level is practicing to realize Arhat fruit, or said another way, Arhat level synonymous with a Stream - this is absurd.

(5) But how is the practice to a level attained Arhat called Tier Provision saving? Could this rank is called the title in the same time? Whether a person is a hybrid tier estate, he has been considered the level Arhat not?

(6) Similarly for an order to experience the results were practicing Any hybrid and hybrid Best results.

(7) - Is He does not think that a grade is practicing to realize results Arhat had attained a Stream?

(8) - Or Is He said that such a step is still spare united to save the project results (as a special virtue)? If so, he must show that the Arhat level is still the fetters that Tier saved project has not eradicated. This is really absurd.

(9-18) The same argument applies to a practice that is attained Arhat and Lai Path First Fruits, a practice that level is attained Real hybrid, a practice that is certified Any future results and results in a Stream Way, the Truth First hybrid fruit, and a witness were practicing for hybrid and Path First results expected results saved.

(19) UA: - If our opinion wrong, surely He would never say that an order is to practice enlightened Arhat has attained with three other fruits, and there must necrotic not leave them?

Th: - Yes, it is so.

U: - So, surely this level is still half 3 results spare.

(20-21) And just like that, for grades were practicing to realize any direct hybrid, hybrid Best directing, and directing project saved

(22) Th: - Assuming that this level is still half with 3 results spare, did he also acknowledged that if this level is enlightened religion still spare 4 4 ​​direct agreements or what? Of course, he refused (here, he has clearly see my point).

(23-24) And he also can not admit such an agreement to spare the practice level to realizations are 3 other results.

10. ISSUES stroll hindrances (Sabbasannojanappahanakatha)

Rate debate : Then eliminate all hindrances (fetters) is level Arhat.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , for that the Arhat rid of all hindrances (fetters) during the same time. In fact, 10 is the exception hindrances gradually during development 4 rid faith without even once. (1)

(1)  Theravadins:  - With the perception of him, he must accept that all hindrances to be rid of Arhat religion. This is not true he accepted. Furthermore itself is, Skepticism, and the defense has been respectable prohibited except by directing a Stream, then to practice for evangelism Career Arhat results no longer have absolute minus 3 hindrances anymore.

(2) As no longer relieve craving and raw Airport was the exception in Path Real Lai.

(3) As no craving and Golf rid subtle was the exception in Path Real Lai.

(4) Is the Buddha has declared that "Path Arhat identity rid Ai, Ai formless, conceit, rooms booked, and ignorance"?  (1)

(5)  Andhakas:  - But if our opinion wrong with him must not admit an Arhat level has sections all hindrances that? Thus, I can definitely say that the hindrances rid of all the grades Arhat

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Chapter V

1. ISSUES Liberation (Vimuttakatha)

Rate debate : Tue extricate itself a quality of liberation.

In Note : There are 4 classified Tue: Tue intuition, wisdom religion, wisdom and insight Reactive results. In other words, all this knowledge is seen as: a). Intuitive knowledge is liberating insight mistakes as awareness of legal permanent is not destroyed; b) Property Property is severed section director of defilements; c) Tue awarded ( phalampatipassadhi - vimutti ); d) Property Property is contemplating protest on liberation. Only the third is abstract knowledge, no nature of liberation. The remaining Wisdom can not be called liberated France, Gender  Andhakas  have such misconceptions about four Tue above  (2)

(1)  Theravadins:  - Are His conception does not imply that any knowledge of liberation also has a quality of liberation? Such protests have knowledge of the liberating qualities not? Such a liberating insight of a step change Is qualities of liberation not? He rejected both of these. So his opinion applies only in general terms.

(2) Again, this conception consists of a liberating insight grades were practicing to realize the fruit of a Stream Way, Best hybrid, Real hybrid, and Arhat, as well as liberation. But does he think of a Career Wisdom witness also expected to save the equivalent of an enlightened level, has attained, reaching, clearly comprehend that results of a Stream Way, and likewise for the First hybrid, Real hybrid, Arhat?Of course he refused (as Path and various fruits).

(3) However, it must be added that if he wanted to liberate the knowledge of a level has attained the Dao, the skill of a master freed practice only to experience the results that are the essence of liberation seed together? Of course he refused.

(4) In other words, like his concept, suppose we assume that when a level was attained in any direction in the four directors. Career Wisdom's liberation was, in itself, a quality of liberation.

Now, he accepts that the knowledge that we are talking about is the knowledge of a certified grade fruit, does he not agree?

He must stop with the notion that, if this level is not attained only practice to attain results? Of course he refused.

2. PROPERTY ISSUES OF CLASS uneducated (Asekkananakatha)

Rate debate : Level of Career Property ownership can learn uneducated.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas , said the school level as Aonanda property and other disciples can understand the teachings of the Buddha ... so they know the wisdom of uneducated beings.

(1)  Theravadins:  - Thus he implied that organic school level understand, clearly see the level of uneducated, living in the attainment, understanding, clear, well aware of his approach. Otherwise he can not maintain his conceptions are.

(2) Of course, we all recognize the uneducated level understand, clearly see the level of uneducated, living in the attainment of ... But he had to admit, he can not assume that this knowledge has to with organic rank learned.

Thus, his opinion that the school had knowledge of grade level property uneducated, but he again refused organic grade student to see, to know the level of uneducated legal. But uneducated rank of Career Wisdom also illiterate, uneducated if there are intellectual level equal to grade school, his property must also add that the BAAC uneducated do not know, do not clearly see the level of uneducated, do not live in the attainment of uneducated level. This is absurd, and he rejects what he admits.

(3) he refused an order ready in direct low level of knowledge in a higher direction, a step change (gotrabhu ) of Career Path Project has saved Tue. So how can he think of Career Wisdom intellectual property of grade school is also uneducated.?

(4) U: - If our opinion wrong, why a grade school property as false religions  Ānanda  can understand the words of the Buddha, or Venerable  Sariputta , Venerable  Moggallana ?

3. ISSUES WHILE IMPORT hallucinations MEDITATION(Viparitakatha )

Rate debate : Tier prime meditation with headings Land ...  (1)   with mystical knowledge (knowledge is not true).

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , said a prime meditation with headings Land ... in the process of observation of the earth, and the earth knows the heart rejoices with the land titles that interest beyond narrow the scope of land (from raw optical Minister became Minister) oil still locked with the heading, your perception becomes hallucination, shows an initial material is ground, gradually became the concept. Phai  Theravadins  has special meaning transparency of land. Look "illusion" only get to see the measures permanent, unchanging in impermanence. Actually no illusion in meditation because when a topic is the concept of land or the perception of the mind, in the mind of the practitioner will only exist this concept.

(1)  Theravadins:  - If his notions of sense, does He said that the "Huyen or" perverted just as seen in the permanent impermanence, find happiness in misery, see the self in a multitude down, see beauty in evil. Of course he refused.

(2) Again, he implies an intellectual level so enter meditation is not a capability. But his opinions on this issue, the conflict again: it is a capacity.

(3) He admits a judgment by contrast, saw the permanence of impermanence is a wrong judgment and the judgment given above also other such mistakes. Although he did not admit knowledge of meditation is entering the legal achievements of evil.

(4) However, he said that the import of meditation is the result of good law. However, the suspension or the like as the case of the four above-mentioned judgment by him to be false.

(5) If an Arhat level was so successful meditation, he has declared that an understanding of this position is legendary not turn? He could not make such a claim.

(6) Or if he claims that, he was upset about Thought, Consciousness and views of this position.

(7)  Andhakas:  - But if our notion wrong, He can do that as an entry level Land meditation with headings, for this position, there is not all the measures are becoming earth not? He said no. So sure judgment of the practitioner off balance.

(8) Th: - But he will admit that such land, and the land is the subject of meditation entry level, there must be considered the land not land? So where to turn Tue suspension that is present? He said that land is like and when the land is the subject of entry level meditation, be aware of the earth as the earth, so the thinking is utopian. Replace land titles by Nirvana. He could say that this idea is illusory or reasonable?

4. ISSUES certain Qingdao (Niyamakatha)

Rate debate : The ordinary (No provisions) have the knowledge to go on the Path (definitely).

According to Note:  This concept of sect  Uttarapathakas.

(1)  Theravadins:  - If an ordinary person (No provisions) have the knowledge to go on the Noble Path (definitely), by contrast, a person must have knowledge definitely the way to go to Real specified. If he refused, his conception is untenable, if he maintains a level no knowledge definitely will not go into the Noble Path and so he implies that the people who do not have the knowledge to Real enters Noble path that. By his own conception concluded. This concept can not be accepted.

(2) Again, if a person with knowledge of the Real to go into Noble Path, he must accept that the public ranks Certainly the intellectual level was equal beings do not? And vice versa, if he accepts a Certain level (Noble) has no knowledge to go on the Noble Path he certainly would also have to deny this knowledge to the Real specified.

(3) Again, in the confirmation a Real Career Wisdom to have to go to the Noble Path, has admitted he must also have the skill level to not go to the Noble Path not? He refused. This means that he has accepted this level there is no knowledge to go on this Path. Similar steps have accepted him without the knowledge to go on the Noble Path not? He refused?

(4) Are His concept also means that there is a Path for the ordinary person to go into it? He refused, however, to admit that he has the knowledge to go on that road? Does this include the forty Tue origin and the other assistant. He had refused and

(5) Accept that there is no certain path so? Therefore, how his concept is viable.

(6) Does he not admit that only in the case of a step change ( Gotrabhupuggalo ) of new knowledge (Path Project saved)? Or for an order are practiced to show ... Fruit Fruit Project Save Arhat fruit of that new knowledge? So, how can he accept ordinary person has the knowledge to go on the Noble Path is.

(7)  Uttarapathakas:  - If we are wrong, on the other hand, he must accept that the Blessed One who knows, definitely or No to, will actually go to the Noble, and able to fully articulate Four Noble Truths.

5. PROPERTY ISSUES ANALYSIS (Patisambhidakatha)

Rate debate : All Tue Tue are analyzed.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas , said that religion saint super Tue then he also has the knowledge level analysis.

(1)  Theravadins: -  So, he must accept that human knowledge of discrimination. He refused this, because if he agrees, then all mortal, have certain Tue Tue also be analyzed meet. He denies this.Similar reasoning if replacing "Tha clearinghouse" for "ordinary knowledge".

(2) Again, if all are Tue Tue analysis, all the sophistication, of a lucid analysis as well as knowledge.Or, if he can accept that they must accept the subtle, lucid meditation attained the rank of a title earth, water, fire, wind or green, red, yellow, white or meditation to attain recommended levels Immaterial meditation, or a donation to any of the Four monks are certain items of discrimination. But this he also refused.

(3)  Andhakas: -  If I'm wrong, he admitted, such a law is the knowledge superpower, does not have legal or Star of discrimination?

Th: - That, I do not deny.

A .: - So my concept a lot of sense.

6. PROPERTY ISSUES Pham (Sammatinanakatha)

Rate debate : There is a mistake to say that human wisdom can only empire as object without any other measures as object.

According to Note : This view of sex  Andhakas , they use the word "God" does not have the distinction between base and noble process.

(1)  Andhakas : - Does he accept that, an entry level headings Land with meditation and wisdom? Are land titles is not as fashioned?

Th: - Well, that statutory section.

A .: - So why exclude ordinary Tue soles made objects?

(2) The same argument applies to the other section and the offerings from useful items (such as point 5).

(3) Thus, according to him, that everyone Tue empire as object only. But there must be the object of human knowledge is the understanding of Suffering, except Class, are realizing Killing base and cultivate the Noble Truth? He had refused. (Therefore there is no distinction between the substrate).

7. ISSUES mind objects (Cittarammanakatha)

Rate debate : Tue know others only heart center as an object, in addition to no other legal subjects do.

According to Note : Some sects like  Andhakas , Tha clearinghouse concept that limited knowledge of others  (Cetopariyayenanam ). This concept actually was flawed, because in understanding the mind as compassionate mind .... Then the object becomes more complex.

(1)  Theravadins:  - Does he accept that, an understanding heart level are craving, hatred and delusion, ... as well as object interested only in addition to no other legal subjects do? Thus, his concept has been used arbitrarily.

(2) Again, he could not deny that, in the understanding of others, understanding these objects can have such contact, feeling .... (or any other ownership interest). So, where is the only pure heart is the object of attention not tha?

(3) Or does he want to argue about tha case no object clearinghouse as contact, feeling ... or other interest owner? You agree? But does the other person's mind comprehended not include clear contact lenses, life ... This is his refusal?

(4)  Andhakas : - He said that my opinion is wrong. But there has to be comprehended Tue others interested in the center is limited (others) reasonable? Therefore, make sure I'm very rational.

8. PROPERTY ISSUES YOUR FUTURE

Rate debate : Yes Property futuristic ...

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas .

(1 ) Theravadins:  - If we can know about the future (in general), then it must be known by knowledge workers, by fate, by now useful, by being useful, with real character, by sight, by squeeze. But he denies that we know about the future so ...  (1)

(2) And to be known by future predestined, coastal landscape, coast growth, wealth, and cockroaches consecutive charming grace. But here he refused. (2)

(3) Moreover, if he is a reasonable level of transformation with a Career Path Project Tue Save, Career Path Project's knowledge level up with more than enough to save etc .. But he also rejects this.

(4)  Andhakas:  - If I mistake not it has texts in which Buddha was once proclaimed "Hey Ānanda, there are three accidents will happen to the Patna, fire accidents, water accidents, and accidents divided Share unity "?  (1)  . So certainly Tue future.

9. MODERN PROPERTY ISSUES

Rate debate : There is currently Tue.

In Note : Because needle discourse of the Buddha: if all measures are seen as very often the Wisdom that, as a legal entity, is also seen as impermanent. Phai  Andhakas  Tue concept that is currently without a clear distinction. In fact, if current knowledge is that wisdom to know the immediate itself in the present. But this knowledge can not be both at the same time when his existence itself as an object, the current knowledge can not be known by the knowledge that, in other words, self-interest is a response operation and when it is considered the object is no longer present but has become the past.

(1)  Theravadins:  - If the current knowledge, there must be a person with the knowledge of understanding that? If he refused, his views will fail. If he agrees, I would like to ask: Does a knowledgeable person is present in the current knowledge of that? He refused to admit the first and he will not rational, if he agrees, I would like to ask: Are the current knowledge of the subject of the wisdom that? He refused, and the first to admit his failure. If he agrees, he implies that a main contact person by touching it, feeling that life in the main, by the idea that thought in mind, key considerations in mind, the joy of the wedding, the reflection in the that concept or comprehended by the knowledge that, he also implied that a major break with the sword sword, a knife by the knife broke, broken ax the ax with which the metal sewing needle with that, kissing by the tip that nose, wash it with the oil, wash the negotiation talks with lubricant viscosity or wash it by themselves unclean it is unclean.

(2)  Andhakas:  - So if I was wrong? But when all things are seen as impermanent, is that knowledge is impermanent not see why? Therefore I am very rational.

10. PROPERTY ISSUES RESULTS (Phalananakatha)

Rate debate : A noble disciple may have knowledge of results.

According to Note : Some sects like  Andhakas , said that because both Buddha and Saints A disciple guides beings teachings about the attainment of the holy fruit, should the noble disciple, like the Buddha, there being able to declare that this or other beings attained certification. And if so the location can also see clearly with his knowledge of the details related to the attainment. But they can not do so.

(1)  Theravadins : - This concept implies a noble disciple can know the characteristics of each fruit, know the excesses and inadequacies of the fruit, said to be the excesses and inadequacies of Rights, learned the excesses and inadequacies of personality.

(2) The disciple can institutions be Aggregates, Land, Gender, Truth, Right.

(3) This is the Buddha, the cardinal, the Enlightenment, the Omniscient, Continental is, the French master.

(4) This The Way unborn is born, no one has claimed the Path statement, maturing in maturing Path nobody, nobody super super Dao Vietnam in Vietnam. All of this, of course, he must deny.

(5)  Andhakas : - He refused a saint A disciple is not perfect in wisdom. So sure he can have wisdom to know other people's results.

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Chapter VI

1. ISSUES laws of NATURE (Niyamakatha )

Rate debate : Concentration is unconditioned natural law.

In Note:  Exalted have urged that, "... And who, this bhikkhus, for this method, known as such, he has seen project called up, no longer rotten rotten, surely towards enlightenment " (1)  , and in that sense Noble. Because when a saint is not being destroyed his Holy qualities despite being directed up being destroyed. (Because there are four directors arising and passing should be compounded, while the regulatory St. The store floors Arhat is unconditioned). It is the idea of the sect  Andhakas , of course, believe that inaction in the sense of eternal, immutable  (Nicca) .

(1)  Theravadins:  - So, of course (another name of unconditioned) is nirvana, or as protection (shelter, sanctuary), a secret (the collapse, no longer reborn) , the Organic Health (safe haven) is Huu Tuc (goals, lofty aspiration) is fixed, immortal. He denies this. However he still called both are unconditioned, and so there must be both invisible because no? If he refused, his opinion can not be accepted. If he agrees, then there are two types of protection ... two ... two kinds type Immortalized Nirvana ... If he rejects it, he could not identify his position came up. If he agrees he must recognize that there are two nirvana: the high and the low, the good and the bad, so deep and so shallow? Are there boundaries split between them so? Of course he refused.

(2) Again, there must be people who come in and attainment of course, as for the human being, the universe, the destruction, making strong, of course serial? He said that "It is inevitable." But is the word he can apply for what is called unconditioned not? Of course not...

(3) Again, there must be four unconditioned Truth is not? He denied and said that "parishioner is compounded," however. He maintains that the unconditioned Naturally, the store director Du, Best hybrid, Real hybrid, Arhat, is compounded. But of course ... The note Arhat is of course the unconditioned.

(4) Therefore, if the four-story St. This is unconditioned Naturally, there must be 5 types unconditioned not? If he agrees, he also got into difficulty as before.

(5) Finally, there must of course Ta (1)   is not unconditioned? He denied and said that of course is compounded Ta. But there is of course the district must have qualities that so? Here he had refused.

(6)  Andhakas:  - If I'm wrong, there must of course he said that if the arising and passing to someone, that person is being destroyed?

Th: - None.

A: - So, of course, must be unconditioned (because it can not arise and perish).

Th: - But his reasoning is applicable only to Naturally misconduct. So of course he can not call that was tasteless.

2. FERTILITY PROBLEMS idea (Paticcasamuppadakatha)

Rate debate : the idea of Birth is unconditioned.

In Note : Because of the interdependence needle discourse about "Oil for Tathāgata appear or not appear on this earth, origination laws still occurs like that, do not change", and some sects as Pubbasaliya s and  Mahimsasakhas  had the notion that ideas are unconditioned Born.

(1) This is the same way the opening argument in Part 1, point 1, Chapter VI.

(2-3)  Theravadins: -  He can say whatever a particular concept within such ignorance Student Health Mutual, operating in the clause "Due to ignorance, issue arises" unconditioned is not? Does he not accept? So, how can he maintain his position was?

(4) PM: - If we are wrong, why Buddha preached like this again "Conditioned by birth, the monks, old death arises".

As oil does have to appear or not appear, was residing as gender identity and legal residence that nature, that nature of the decision, that the charming nature. As hybrid fully realized, fully attained his theorem. Once fully realized, fully attained, he declared, uttered, open display, open market, distinguished, intelligent visibility, intelligent marketing. He said, "Because charm being the monks, should have to die old, conditioned by ownership. This, bhikkhus should be born. Since coast defense, the monks, should be useful. Do predestined affinity, the bhikkhus ... Due to the coast should be obvious ignorance, this bhikkhus, should be the issue. Thus, the monks here are the character, no falsehoods nature, whatever you like nature, he was charming nature. this monks, is called the theory of origin "?  (1)

Thus, the idea certainly is unconditioned Born.

(5) Th: - In clause "Due to ignorance, issue arise," is the legal front, the following measures are effective. And Nirvana is unconditioned - Is He confirmed both unconditioned? He agrees you? Thus, there must be two types of unconditioned not? ... Two Guardianship? ... (As in Part 1).

(6) And if in the next clause "Due to activities, consciousness arises," he confirmed act is unconditioned. Thus there must be three kinds of unconditioned not?

(7) And so on, the concept confirm each other as "Luc Enter", "Promotion", "Life" ... and Nirvana is unconditioned. There must be 12 unconditioned not? ... 12 protection ...? Of course, he refused, since he was unable to confirm this idea is unconditioned is Born.

3. ISSUES word to  (Saccakatha)

Rate debate : Four soles is unconditioned.

According to Note : This concept of sect  Pubbaseliya , comes from passages "O Bhikkhus, there are four methods that make real, is not changing ..." They make a distinction between the "Events" (Vatthu Saccam ) and "Truth"  (Lakkhana Saccam ). "Events" are compounded, and "Truth" is the unconditioned. In the third problem, they do not accept the existence of any such events.

(1)  Theravadins:  - Is He admits (not one, but both) four insole is Nirvana? If He acknowledged as such, there must be four boundaries and four levels, four different divisions of Nirvana is not?

(2) He confirmed the substrate is unconditioned. For Suffering Is Suffering itself is invisible because no? He denies this to him for that suffering body, mental suffering, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and distress are compounded? Or for there to ultimate right to ultimate unconditioned is not? He refused ..... same, whether he must reject charity, and Africa Craving Craving is unconditioned? Or for the Noble Truth, is the Noble Truth itself is unconditioned it? He refused ... so, do not give him that right understanding, right thought ... right concentration is unconditioned.

(3) He admits Suffering, aprons, Noble Truth is compounded and all factors of enlightenment is compounded, but he again refused every detailed part of God is compounded. This can not be ...

(4) Now, for there to exterminate exterminate empire empire is invisible because no? He agreed à.Thus, if the substrate is unconditioned Extinction, why is not the unconditioned Suffering? Or to ultimate? Baggage?

(5) In the four Truths, except Tuesday Truths, he maintains this is indeed the Truth compounded.Tuesday Truths Why not?

(6) P: - But if I'm wrong, why the Buddha has said, "There are four measures, the monks, is surely not change, Which four? Hey monks, that is suffering, that is real and does not change. It is the sole ... Noble truth of Cessation, surely and without change "?  (1)   Thus, to make sure that the quarter-insole is unconditioned.

4. problems formless realms (Arupakatha)

Rate debate : No infinitude of the unconditioned.

In Note : Because of the language with the needle "Four formless realms estate", some said that the four realms sect is unconditioned.

(1)  Theravadins: -  Is He also implies that there are boundless origin identifier is Nibbana, the protection, the Secret, is fixed, is immortal? He denies this ... Thus, he can not graded No infinitude of micro lavo also be. If he accepts it, we have two types of unconditioned, two nirvana ...

(2) He accepts that, No Friends infinitude of the interesting direction, Beings cylinder head, a birth, a rebirth of consciousness shelter, a self-reported body karma? There have also been numerous expressions of this? Then of course not ...

There must now take beings reborn in this realm? He agreed. Thus, we must now take beings reborn unconditioned? Of course he refused ... They are beings reborn mail and boundless origin, but they must have birth and death and rebirth in unconditioned not? Of course he refused.

(3) there being no birth, aging, death and rebirth in the land of boundless realms not? He conceived this? But surely no living being reborn so in unconditioned being.

Are aggregates quartet exists in this realm? He agreed to star? But it is hard to imagine in unconditioned quarterfinals are aggregates. He can not call unconditioned realms of our life is a quarter-aggregates sanhvoi list as boundless realm of origin.

(4) Delegation of the opposition: - But did the Buddha did not ever say: "Realm aggregates estate quartet"? Therefore, make sure we can call this the unconditioned realms.

5. LIFE ISSUES CONCEPT death RESTRICTION(Nirodhasamapattikatha)

Rate debate : Enter kill life thought to be unconditioned.

According to Note : The attainment of specified life thought Extinction means stop stream of consciousness during meditation enter. When the attainment of perfection is called, it can not be said that the attainment of that is unconditioned or conditioned because the tri forms (physical, verbal) are completely absent. But the sect  Andhakas  and  Uttara-pathakas  have the notion that since the Cessation of life thought to enter meditation is not compounded, therefore is the unconditioned.

(1)  Theravadins:  - Does this mean that the concept of life thought Nirvana is the Nirvana, the protection ...? He refused. Thus, there must be both similar expressions are invisible because no? He confirmed it? Thus, there are two tasteless affordable ... two ... Nirvana?

(2) Does anyone entering Kill, Kill achievements, make full Extinction arising out completely? If so, he could do such a concept of the unconditioned is not? Of course not.

(3) Is there any method (four fruits) arise, not in and out of Extinction? If so, there must be the same unconditioned born from it? Of course not?

When you enter the statue Kill, kill first before exporting onions, then personally; then to kill mental.He could say the same for the attainment of the unconditioned is not?

When exporting to exterminate life thought, mental born first, then to the new corms and finally to export onions. He could say the same for the unconditioned out okay?

(4) The Killing Zen life thought out to have three types of exposure: Kill, Radio controls and internal Africa (1)  . Could he say the same for the unconditioned out okay? Or when an order out to exterminate life thought, the mind has attentively, recalls, resist it?

(5) AU: - If we are wrong, we would like to ask him, there must be compounded not Kill? He said no, so that Killing is unconditioned.

6. ISSUES NOWHERE  (Akasakatha)

Rate Debate:  Nowhere is the unconditioned.

In Note : Nowhere has three forms; The limit, abstraction from the object and the emptiness. Early form is compounded (because the new material conditions aware), following two forms merely abstract concepts. But some of the sect as  Uttarapattakas  and  Mahimsasakas  the following two forms of conception because they should not be compounded as unconditioned. In fact, nowhere on the list of institutions therefore can not be called conditioned or unconditioned being.

(1)  Theravadins: -  If nowhere is unconditioned, as he was confirmed, he is nowhere to be ranked with Nirvana, or he must confirm there are two types of unconditioned as well as two types of Nirvana. All these things, He refused.

(2) There may be someone who is nowhere in creating non-nowhere place reasonable? Thus, that person may become unconditioned compounded. He denies this ... Also, for the reverse process (off-nowhere into nowhere, as unconditioned into conditioned).

(3) Again, if he accepted that birds flying in the sky, the sun, moon and stars can pass through nowhere, psychic level currently allowed in vain goods, arms or hands can shaken out of nowhere, throwing stones, hitting the bridge, one can move with the force, arrows are shot in vain, he had to admit that to those moving through and in unconditioned - this He can not admit it.

(4) Again, if one can be sealed nowhere when people build a house, warehouse; What can one unconditioned sealed so okay? Or when digging wells, are non-nowhere nowhere to become reasonable? He agrees you? So there must be unconditioned became conditioned? Or when the well is empty, empty warehouses, empty pot is covered, it has nowhere to go away reasonable? If so, there must be unconditioned and disappear?

(5) VM: - If a mistake to say that nowhere is the unconditioned, is nowhere to be compounded? He refused. Therefore, damage that is not unconditioned.

7. ISSUES NOWHERE IS THE SUBJECT OF LABELS (scenery)(Akasasanidassanatikatha)

Rate Debate:  Nowhere can see (visible).

According to Note : This concept of sect  Andhakas  that because we see the limits of nowhere, like a keyhole ... so nowhere visible. They accepted, in that case, nowhere is material, ie, material objects are visible; Moreover, the space between two pillars be found. In such cases, what is seen as poles, trees ... and what is the limit between the columns and the tree was called nowhere. Here, the object is not visible, but just as the activities of consciousness arise, not consciousness arises ( -door  vinnanam uppajjati ,  naccakkhuvinnanam ) and apply this concept in general should not brought to a conclusion.

(1)  Theravadins:  - If such a concept, self-admitted himself nowhere is excellent, excellent origin, gender identity, and blue, red, yellow, white is perceived by the eye, shifting eyes, is the subject of the eye, entering the path of the eye. This he refused ...

(2) Replace the word "nowhere" for the word "excellence origin", he must accept or deny that "by the label and nothingness, consciousness arises. If denied, his conception can not stand . If accepted, he can not invoke a public prayer about this. In the texts agree that "by shifting labels and how to charge, awareness arises"  (1)   as he was recognized. From here, he could not say that nowhere is the subject of labels, or he will fail if this concept was maintained.

(3) A .: - If I mistake him to admit that he "saw" the space between two columns or two doors.Therefore, certainly nowhere is the subject of the label.

8. GENERAL ISSUES FOUR, AND CLOSE TO MILITARY NOW
IS THE SUBJECT OF LABELS (scenery) (Pathavidhatu Sanidassanatayadikatha)

Rate Debate:  One of the measures on the subject of labels.

According to Note:  This view of sex is still  Andhakas , derived from the phenomena we "see" is the movement of rock, water, fire, as well as the color of the material or shape of the hand, legs ... and in case the voters themselves.

(1-9) Theory identical 7 points in this chapter, the "big four", "human rights", and "bodily" is substituted for "nowhere". and opposition political reasoning as follows:

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