CHAPTER I

1.  THE EXISTING PLANT OF A FALLEN  (Puggalakatha)

Rate Debate:  "NGA" was conceived in a reality of absolute and eternal.

Explanatory notes : This concept of two sectarian  VAJJIPUTTAKAS  and  SAMMMITIYAS , collectively  PUGGALAVADIN  (those who believe in the existence of a "NGA" absolute and immutable). In Tripitaka "NGA" referred to by the word "HOMO"; in organ Marvelous, "NGA" referred to by the word " PUGGALAM  " replacing the " Atta" and  some other words for the soul only.

I. - EIGHT argument disproves soul

Argument 1

a) How to argue in a way determined in part.

(1).  THERAVADINS  - Is "NGA" conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and not eternal?

Puggalavadins: -  Your Honor, that is the case.

Th: - There must be human, even so, was conceived as an absolute reality and not eternal?

P: - No, can not say so.

Th: - Please settle noted the contradiction in his argument.

- If the "NGA" conceived in the sense of absolute reality and eternal, then said to him, he should say that man, even so, was conceived in the sense of absolute reality and a constant rather useful!

- So his conception was wrong, that is, (1) we say "NGA" conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal, but (2) we say that man, even so , not to be conceived in the sense of absolute reality and eternal.

- If the following points (2) are not accepted, they should not accept arguments before (1).

- Ongoing accept arguments before (1) while.

- Back after denying thesis (2), so that he made a mistake in allowing the argument.

b) - The answers to questions under standard screw opponents argue the four sides:

(2)  Puggalavadins: -  Does "NGA" is not conceived as an absolute reality and not eternal?

Theravadins:  - Your Honor, that is the case.

P: - Does not like that concept, is seen as an absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - No, can not say so.

P: - So ask him to take note of the following arguments refute:

- If people do not get the concept a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal, then said to him, he should say that it is not like that concept, should be seen as an absolute reality and eternal.

- Thus, his opinion was wrong, that is: 1) we say: "Man is not conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal", but 2) we do not say " it is not like that notion, not be seen as an absolute reality and eternal ".

- If the point (2) is not accepted, then sir, he was not accepted thesis (1).

- While accepting the point (2), did not accept the argument (1), such a mistake is he allowed to argue.

c) How to refute an opponent under four sides allow arguments:

(3)  Puggalavadins: -  (Continued) However, if you think that we have to accept the thesis (1) says that "Man" is not a concept in the sense of absolute reality and eternal, but we also must not accepted thesis (2) says "NGA" is conceived like that, is seen as (any) one absolute reality and eternal. So he, who agreed to the proposition that it is available in a negative question, sure to be rejected by the following arguments:

- If the (1) "NGA" is not considered a real sense niemtheo absolute and eternal, then indeed he must also say that (2) "NGA" Likewise also, was not conceived as any real absolute and eternal in particular.

- What he admitted to being wrong, that is the point (1) is accepted, but points (2) are not accepted.

- If the point (2) is not accepted, then the argument must have (1) will not be accepted.

- Here, he said that the argument (1) must be accepted, but points (2) are not accepted; This suggests the fallacy in his argument.

d) The application of sub-premise entrance exit 4 sides:

(4)  Puggalavadins: -  (Continued) If this is a false argument rejected, he look at a parallel question in his main argument. So in our opinion, points (1) is correct, but the point (2) is wrong. Here we endorse this propositions, even we did not care to refute his arguments. He dismissed us, but no matter what we do not deserve to be dismissed. According to his argument, if accepted, the point (1), then we must also accept the point (2), we also can not accept the truth of point (1); and he said that we were wrong we were to accept the argument because (1), meanwhile, denied that contention (2).

e) The exit 4 sides argued.

(5)  Puggalavadins: -  (Continued) Do not, I repeat, our argument would not like to be rejected

- That is, our main thesis force me to accept arguments. "Being such notions ..." in his thesis.

- His statement that point (1) of I overlap with refutations (2) of me is wrong.

- Because if I refute points (2), I also reject the argument (1).

- I have to accept or reject both both. These arguments refute his argument is completely false.On the other hand, I still maintain my right point in reasoning and properly so.

Argument 2

a) The argument contrasts 5 parts:

(6)  Puggalavadins:  - Are people not to be conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

Theravadins:  - Your Honor, just like that ... (Continue as arguments (1), opposed the questioner and replace the words "Do not be conceived" by the word "conceived".

b) How to respond to questions under the four sides retorted:

(7) Th: - Are people conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

P: - Your Honor, just like that ... (Continue as in replying to questions opponents retorted argument (1, opposed the questioner and replace the word "conceived" by the words "not be notion").

c) How to refute opponents under 4 sides allow arguments:

(8) Th: - However, if you think that we have to accept that argument: "NGA" conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal, but we also must not be permitted get points for that. Man is such a concept as any absolute reality and eternal else ... (Continue as in part to refute opponents argued the four sides of the argument (1), who oppose questions, and replace the word "conceived" by the words "not to be conceived").

d) The adoption of the four sides elementary premise:

(9) Th: - (Continued) If this is a false argument rejected, he look at a parallel question in his main thesis, therefore, in our opinion, the point (a) is correct ( "NGA" not conceived ...) and point (b) is not correct (It even so, do not be conceived ...). Here, we have endorsed these phrases, so we did not care about his rejection of our arguments.

e) The conclusion by way of four sides:

(10) Th: - (Continued) Do not, I repeat, we do not deserve to be dismissed by his arguments were used to try to deny our thesis ... So arguments to refute in his argument is completely false.

Argument 3

(11)  Theravadins:  - Are people conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

Puggalavadins: -  Your Honor, that is the case.

Th: - Are people,  anywhere , well conceived like that?

P: - No, can not say so.

Th: - So ask him to take note of the following arguments refute:

If humans are conceived in terms of absolute reality and eternal, then indeed he would have to admit that people, wherever, also are conceived in the sense that instead! He is so wrong when he recognized clause (A) which denied clause (C).  If (C) wrong, (A) is wrong.

Argument 4

(12) Th: - Are people conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and not eternal?

P: - Your Honor, that is the case.

Th: - Are people  always  conceived so no sense.

P: - No, can not say the same ... (Continue as above, replacing the word "Wherever" by the word "always").

Argument 5

(13) Th: - Are humans ...  each component  (in the Name of color) is conceived as meaning an absolute reality and not eternal? (Continue as above, replacing the word "always" with "each ingredient").

Argument 6

(14) P: - Does man not to be conceived (island subject of argument 3) ...  anywhere  in the sense that does not (replace the word "conceived" by the words "do not be concerned concept ").

Argument 7

(15) P: - There must not be conceived Man (island subject of argument 4) ... always in the sense that so?

Argument 8

(16) P: - Does Man is not conceived ...  of each component  in the sense that so?

II. - THE SURVEY BY COMPARISON

Compare with other realities FALLS:

(17) Th: - Are people conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal, and Lust ( rūpain ) also conceived like that?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is Lust is a reality and is a real man in the other?

P: - No, can not say so.

Th: - Please settle recognition dismissed following argument: If the concept and Sac are a reality in the sense of the absolute and eternal, so He should admit him and Matter are two different realities . He was wrong in accepting the argument before that point later denied. If the following points are not accepted, the previous point is not acceptable. Said that he and Lust, both conceived as the ultimate reality, and eternal, but not both realities are differentiated so, it would be wrong.

(18-73) The same argument applies when connected to 55 absolute reality and eternal like:

Tho. Chiang Administrative Consciousness	The yun  (Khandha)  Other
Origin Labels Turkish origin Origin Billion Loss Made Made Body Excellence Origin Origin Thinh Huong Origin Origin Area Promotion Made Italian Origin France Origin	12 Parish  (Ayatana)
Label, Virgin, Rate, Damage, Monkey World Sac, Silence, Perfume, Place, Promotion World label, ear, nose, tongue, body and gender Italy World World Consciousness dharmadhatu	18 world  (dhatu)
Label, Virgin, Rate, Damage, Body right Feminism, Men right, right network Sac Lac, Suffering, Hei, Advantages, Welfare Rights Trust, Tan, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom rights Location rights, Di tri rights, voter rights	22 rights  (Indriya)  (1)

(74) P: - Does man not to be conceived that an absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Is Exalted has declared "Monks, there are people act toward their interests ..."? and there must Sac conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Does Matter is a reality there is a real man in the other?

Th: - No, can not say so.

P: - Please settle recognition dismissed following argument: If the Buddha had said, "Some people act toward their interests," and if Sac conceived as an absolute reality and eternal, then said, him, so He must accept the Sac and he is two different entities. His mistake to accept the truth of that argument before denying the truth of the following points. If Sac and Non are two different realities, He can not say that Buddha identified above statements relating to "NGA". He is so wrong in allowing argued.

(75-129) The argument is repeated in succession by replacement every absolute reality and eternal is told in part (18-73) for the "SAC".

Compared to other realities by similar methods:

(130) Th: - Sac (which he admitted) was conceived as an exercise in absolute and eternal. Life was like that concept, so there must be a reality Lust Life is a reality and the other?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does he also conceived as an absolute reality and eternal, like identity was not such a concept?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be a reality Sac, there is a real person at the other?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Please settle recognition dismissed following arguments: If both Matter and Life are conceived as an absolute reality and eternal and Matter and Life are two different realities, they speak in a transparent manner if People and Excellence, both conceived as an absolute reality and eternal, then said to him, can be considered as two different realities are equivalent to each other. In his opinion there is a recognition pair "Lust - Life" started, but did not admit pairs "People - Sac" follows, so very wrong. If he does not admit the following folder, he was not recognized prior pairs. And he was wrong in allowing the argument.

(131-133) The same argument with the remaining 3 Aggregates, replacing Tho (Sac - Ideas, Excellence - Action, Sac - Soul).

(134) Convert each pair one of the five aggregates and arguments as in (130).

Sac and Tho
People and Excellence

Life and Ideas
People and Life

Life and Action
Man and Life

Life and Soul
Man and Life

Perception, Action, Soul in turn be replaced for Life.

(135) Each successive pairs of 12 parish - 18 men and 22 rights as well as 5 Aggregates reasoning.

Origin and Turkish origin labels
and label The Parish

 etc .. the first pair in the analysis of the Parish and the final pair on the Rights of the analysis are:

Di Di tri tri rights and the right
people and the right of voters

(136) P: - Sac (which he admitted) was conceived as an exercise in absolute and eternal. Is Lust is a reality, and a reality Tho other?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Is Exalted has declared, "Some people act toward their interests"? There must be conceived as a Sac absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - Yes.

P: - So there must be a reality Sac also another reality he is not?

Th: - No, can not say that.

P: - Please settle recognition dismissed following arguments: If Sac and life is conceived in the sense that an absolute reality and eternal, that Matter and Life are two different realities, why "Falling "- One of Germany World - Religion is often used - and Matter are not two different realities? He was wrong in allowing the argument. He accepted the truth of the first pair of reality, but does not admit the truth of the reality of the second pair were analyzed. If he denies the truth of the second pair, he should not accept the truth of the first pairs were analyzed.

(Luan this was a complete theory as in section (3-16).

(137) Formula argued (Cakha) for all other realities. As Aggregates Parish ... - To be addressed in this section has been solved in part (131-135).

The comparable basis 4 sides argued:

(138) Th: - Are "People" was conceived as one and absolute reality is not eternal?

P: - Yes.

Th: - (i) So there must Sac human?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Please settle recognition dismissed following argument: If the first argument is accepted as truth, then he has to accept the following arguments. If he does not accept Sac is him, then he should not admit, he was treated as an absolute reality and eternal. So he was wrong in allowing the argument.

(139) Th: -He has accepted arguments before. (Ii) Now, there must be people (conceived like) in the Sac not? (Iii) The outside Or Lust? (Iv) in Person Or Lust?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Please settle recognition following arguments refute: If really "NGA" conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal, then said to him, he had to accept one of the three points on . He would be wrong, if one can not accept this argument for three (such as where and who conceived how), then said to him, he should not agree to the first point of view is the notion discretion Person means an absolute reality and eternal.

(140-141) formula was further argued applies to all "reality absolute and eternal," in reference to the "NGA" ... Life Is He not? ... Are Labels The origin is not?

(142) P: - Is the person not to be conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - Well, not like that notion.

P: - (i) So there must be non-Sac?

Th: - No, can not say that.

P: - Please settle recognition dismissed following argument: If the person is not in the sense that the concept of absolute reality and eternal as he has claimed, he should accept that he is both real and Lust at the same. If he does not accept arguments after it also should not accept arguments before ...

(143) P: - Is the person not to be conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - Well, not to be perceived like that.

P: - (ii) Are not People in Sac? (Iii) or person outside the Sac? (Iv) or Sac in him?

Th: - No, can not say that.

P: - Please settle recognition dismissed following argument: If the concept is not a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal, then said to him, he should accept it is conceived (in collaboration with Lust) as he mentioned in other arguments. If one of this argument can not be accepted, should not accept the first argument.

(This section and the front is as complete as in section (3-16)).

(144-145) formula applies argument continues as shown in (140-141).

These features are combined

(146) Th: - Does "who" conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and not eternal?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are people is concerned? Is absolute? Is predestined or ungainly? Is immortal? or belong to the world? Minister or formless existence?

P: - No, this can not be confirmed so ... (Continue as section (1): "Please settle recognition following arguments refute ...").

(147) P: - Does "him" not to be conceived in the sense of absolute reality and not eternal?

Th: - Well, true.

P: - Is Exalted have urged that "There are people act toward their interests ..."?

Th: - Well, true.

P: - So who is involved? Is absolute? Is predestined or ungainly? Is immortal? of the world? Minister or formless organic?

Th: - No, these things can not be defined as such.

P: - Please settle recognition following arguments refute ... complete as described in (2) and (3-16).

Clearly define the meaning of the concept

(148) Th: - "People" was conceived, and vice versa, have to be part of the very concept, called The affordable new?

P: - People are conceived, However, the main part is that notion, sometimes referred to as "NGA", sometimes not referred to as "NGA" ...

Th: - Does he also want to determine further that: When people do not get the concept and the concept when he is not?

Th: - No, can not say like that ... (continue as before).

(149) Th: -There must "NGA" is a reality or non-reality?

P: - Self is a reality, on the contrary, the reality is somewhat mean person, have not called him.

Th: - Does he also want to identify added: "People in that part of the reality, not the reality part."

P: - No, can not say that.

(150) Th: - People with existing or non-existence?

P: - The existent, However, in the present, sometimes people, sometimes not that person.

Th: - Are in The problem, when it exists, sometimes it does not exist?

P: - No, can not say that.

(151) - Questions question is repeated with the above concepts.

(152) Th: - There must be a real person, or non-reality? (Continued as the previous answer).

(153) Th: - Does He exist, and vice versa, is the existence not all of Christ?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is it possible that he replaced the word "non-existence" for the word "existence" is not?

P: - No, impossible.

Statutory survey on the list ( pannati )

(154) Th: -There should be referred to as "NGA" Lust by that person, and not in the realm of gender identity?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is known as "NGA" by including in education and not in heavenly realms?

P: - No, can not say like that.

(154a) Th: - There must be called "The Fall" by them in the realm of identity and gender identity are not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be called "The Fall" by them in the realm of Education Physical Education and gender do not?

P: - No, can not say like that.

(154b) Th: - Is known as "NGA" because he has no identity and in the formless realm does not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is known as "NGA" by the person have in the realm of Education Physical Education and gender do not?

P: - No, can not say like that.

(154c) Th: - There must be called "The Fall" because they have no identity and in the formless realm does not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be called "The Fall" by them in the realm of Education Physical Education and gender do not?

P: - No, can not say like that.

(155) Th: - According to him, known as the "NGA" because He has Lust Lust and in the plane, known as the "NGA" because he does not have the Sac and in the formless realms. So there must be people in the realm of death and rebirth in the form realm formless realms not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is known as "NGA" because due to being in the formless realm does not arise?

P: - No, can not say that.

Query is repeated, replacing the word "beings"  (Satto)  for "NGA".

(156) Th: - Apply two concepts "the Body"  (Kayo)  and "I"  (Kayam ); there must be no discrimination on the meaning of the manifestation and not the root cause?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the concept of "Ego"  (Puggalo)  or "soul"  (jivo)  is applied without distinction, the same meaning, similar to the manifestation and not the root cause?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is "Body" is different from "Ego" is not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is "soul" is a reality, while "Body" is a reality that others do not?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Please settle recognition dismissed following argument: If there is a mismatch between the book "Body" and "I", between "Ego" and "spirit" and "Body" is different from "Ego," sir, you should also accept the "soul" is different than "I".

His mistake to accept (1) the similarity between the "Body" and "I" (2) The similarities between "Ego" and "spirit" (3) the difference between the "Body" and " ego ", while (4) deny the difference between" I "and" soul ".

If he had denied in the thesis (4) shall not accept the thesis (1,2,3).

He can not accept the thesis (1,2,3) while denying the thesis (4).

(157) P: - Does the concept of "the Body" and "I" are applied to the body without the distinction of meaning, similar to the manifestation and not the root cause?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Is Exalted has declared that "Some people act toward their interests ..." it?

Th: - Yes.

P: - What does "Body" is a reality and "Ego" is a reality that others do not?

Th: - No, can not say that.

P: - Please settle recognition dismissed following arguments: If there is a match between the same and "Body" and "I", and the Buddha has declared that: "There are people of action to look forward to me ... ", then sir, are as such, he should also accept the" Body "is a reality and" Ego "is another reality. He was wrong to accept the first two arguments and again rejected arguments (3). If he can not accept the thesis (3), do not accept the first two arguments (as full post (3-16).).

Surveys are continuing in terms of regeneration.

(158) Th: - Does the person or reincarnated soul from this world to another world and from another world to this world?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the reincarnated souls from this world to another world, and from the other world to this world?

P: - No, can not say the same ... (continue as above).

Th: - So there must be a different soul reincarnated not?

P: - No, can not say the same ... (continue as above).

Th: - If so, do not have souls and other souls reincarnate?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - What does the soul or souls, or do not have souls, not another soul reincarnated?

P: - No, can not say that.

(159) P: - There is reasonable to say that mistakes "reincarnated soul from this world to another world and from another world to this world"?

Th: - Well, say it is wrong.

P: - Is Exalted have urged that "When a birth and death 7 times,  (1)  then the end of suffering for the total extinction of the rope bondage".

There must have all of this?

Th: - Yes.

P: - If so, then surely reincarnation llinh soul from this world to another world and from another world to this world. Again, there must be Exalted has declared that "Vo Thi, Monks, is this reincarnation. Rate starts can not specify for birth certificates ignorance blinded and bound craving to flow, rebirth " (2) . There must have all of this?

Th: - Yes.

P: - So, certainly reincarnated souls have been mentioned.

(160) Th: - Are reincarnated soul from this world to another world and from another world to this world?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the reincarnated souls do not?

P: - No, can not say that ... (continue as above)

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are there spirits after the humankind became not gods?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the person does not become gods?

P: - No, can not say that ... (continue as above)

Th: - (I repeat the question). Are not there people do not become gods?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So he was wrong to think that there are people who become gods or gods become, again, from the other gods who become with the people to become human, the soul, and it is reincarnate.

Surely if that soul, that not one other soul, reincarnated as they mortality and to other worlds, there would be no death, no killing or what? There now, with fruit, with fruit of the action. But when business is good and evil thou achievement results that the reincarnated person. So is wrong.

(161) Th: - Is the soul reincarnated itself from this world to another world or from the other world to this world?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be people who are human beings, and become that ball  (yakkha) , peta  (peta) , hell, animalzxy as camels, cows, mules, pigs, buffaloes do not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is the ball and he becomes ... Buffalo?

P: - No, can not say that ... (continue as above).

Th: - I repeat the question: Does the person become buffalo?

P: - Yes.

Th: - But all this is human beings and become buffalo, buffalo or humanity and become, again when the humanity is completely different from the buffalo, but he was wrong to believe the reincarnated souls.

Certainly if the soul that when mortality in the world and is reborn to another world, then of course there is no death, no killing. There is now, with the result of the action, but the moral and immoral business performance achievements, which he again said that the reincarnated soul then it is wrong.

(162) Th: - He said there reincarnated soul ... So there must be who is the King and became Brahmin not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - King also he Brahmin also reasonable person?

P: - No, can not say that ... (continue as above)

Are there people who are middle-class and became king, and became lower it?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be a king who was born just when they do not?

P: - No, can not say that.

(Replace the word with the letter King Brahmin ... and continue as above).

(163) Th: - He said the reincarnated souls, so there must be people who amputated arms or legs, or amputated limbs, people with atrophy ear, nose, humor, man lost his thumb and index finger toe, people were begging concessions, as well revert to a previous life it? Or quam whom fingers back or spreading out like bat wings, like a previous life? or a person with asthma, strabismus, leprosy, tuberculosis, leprosy (seizures), it was such a previous life? Or this life into donkeys, mules, pigs, buffalo is like a previous life?

P: - No, can not say that.

(164) P: - There is no mistake to say that "the reincarnated souls from this world to another world or from the other world to this world"?

Th: - Well, so very wrong.

P: - But when a person witnessing a Stream, particularly in the realm of human death and rebirth in the realms of gods, then he no longer had a Stream or what?

Th: - Yes, there is a Stream.

P: - If He is reborn in the realms of gods is still a Stream in this world, then sir, is certainly rational to say that "the reincarnated souls from this world into another world. .. "

Th: - Based on the hypothesis that He said that a project saved attained in the realm of human mortality and reborn gods, are the reincarnated souls from this world to another world from another world to this world in the same way it?

P: - Yes, it was.

Th: - A project to save such a birth into the world, there must also gods who do not?

P: - No, can not say that.

(165) Th: - Does the reincarnated souls from this world to another world or from the other world to this world?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are people different reincarnated not still exist?

P: - Yes.

Th: - If a person amputated arms, legs ... if a person is sick ... if a person is found in animals, there must they still do not like in a previous life?

P: - No, can not say that.

(166) Th: - Does the reincarnated souls do not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is the soul reincarnated to form their own identity does not?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - (Think back) Does the reincarnated souls with every form there?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the soul and body alike?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Is he reincarnated with Life, with Chiang, with Onions, with no consciousness?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - (Think again) Is he reincarnated with no consciousness?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the soul and body the same?

P: - No, can not say that.

(167) Th: - As he said, if the soul reincarnated ... Is he reincarnated souls without having to Sac, not with Feeling, Perception, Action and Consciousness not? (Because if there 5 is no human Uan).

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - (Think again) ... Not to Sac ... not with Soul?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be a real soul in the body is also an exercise in the other?

P: - No, can not say that.

(168) Th: - According to him, the reincarnated soul .... Does Matter also reincarnate?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Think again.

P: - Yes.

Th: - But is that same spirit that the body is like that.

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Are Feeling, Perception, Action or reincarnated consciousness.

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - Think again ... Do not Wake reincarnated?

P: - Yes.

Th: - But there is also soul to your body?

P: - No, can not say that ...

(169) Th: - Thus, according to him, the reincarnated soul ... without five aggregates are above reincarnated?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Think again.

P: - Yes, we reincarnate.

Th: - So there must be a real soul in the body is also an exercise in the other?

P: - No, can not say that.

(170) Th: - If damage when consumed Nga destroy aggregates, dissolution. It was an ending that Buddha is often claimed. If Self is not consumed when the aggregates damage was devastating, dissolution, the Falls are eternal (Normal Architecture).

III. - Transformations:

Continue survey on metabolic aspects of the rules.

(Translator: This chapter talks about The Secret majority opinion, so from here the word "soul" means the person, although Personal letters, people, Ego used with equivalent meaning in these surveys mentality).

(171) Th: - There must rely on new regulatory Sac out to people?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does Matter is impermanent, compounded, conditioned by birth? Do we have to be destroyed, disintegrated, changing, becoming inanimate?

P: - Yes.

Th: - What does he also has all the features like?

P: - No, can not say that.

(172) Th: - Or is it by shifting into Feeling, Perception, Action, new regulatory Wake up people.

P: - Yes. (Each aggregates are further arguments as above).

Th: - There must be a certain aggregates are impermanent, compounded, not conditioned by birth?

Do we have to be objective necrosis, disintegration, change, become inanimate not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does he also has all the same features?

P: - No, can not say that.

(173) Th: - He said that "the new color shifting regulatory Because the people. So there must slash green color (to Manila) the new regulatory green man" is not?

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - Or are shifting yellow, red, white, visible or invisible, resistant or not resistant to new regulatory yellow people ... who are not resistant?

P: - No, can not say that ...

(174) Th: - Does the new regulatory Tho by shifting the people?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does the new improved by shifting regulatory life of people of good will?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - that have improved life with fruit, likely happy, lovable, pleasurable bring happiness, peace?

P: - No

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - But there is also allergic to independent people of good results like that?

P: - No, can not say that.

(175) Th: -If due to shifting regulatory The new Life, is due to the new shifting regulatory life of evil people are not evil?

P: - Yes, it was.

Th: - Are there evil life impossible results and results joy, impossible love, impossible to touch, gives the suffering?

P: - Yes.

Th: - But there must be evil people are also allergic Independent unwholesome results like that?

P: - No, can not say that.

(176) Th: - If new statutory Tho by shifting The shifting Tho, there must be a new neutral The neutral institutions not?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat, is due to slash new neutral The neutral institutions not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is Tho neutral is impermanent, compounded, not conditioned by birth? This Life Is consumed necrosis, dissolution and change?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are neutral person has all these characteristics?

P: - No, can not say that.

(177) Th: - Is by shifting one of the three other aggregates - perception and volition, consciousness of people is not new institutions?

P: - Yes.

Th: - (Survey on Wake aggregates) Are new improved by shifting regulatory Waking The charity does not?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Are there good form fruit, lovable, capable happy, pleasurable bring happiness and peace?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must also have good results people like that?

P: - No, can not say that.

(178) Th: - He said that, due to regulatory Hilly The new Soul. So there must be a new evil by shifting regulatory Wake up people are not evil?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - (I repeat the question) is due to shifting consciousness that evil unwholesome The institutions do not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must Waking unwholesome fruit and vegetables from her impossible love, joy impossible, impossible optimism, bring suffering?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is The unwholesome also like fruit.

P: - No, can not say that.

(179) (Survey on Wake neutral and reasoned like above)

(180) Th: - There should be said that the organic label  (1)  . (Can be seen), by shifting the label?

P: - Yes.

Th: - It should say that when The organic label, the label also kill kill it?

P: - No, can not say that ...

(Each pair is applied to a four-parish and the parish).

(181) Th: - It should say that he is wrong by shifting Ta it?

P: - Yes.

Th: - It should say that when Ta is killing the wrong person will be eliminated it?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, there should be said that a portion of Ta Bat Removal directing the person depends on his part also perish not?

P: - No, can not say that.

(182) Th: - Similarly, there must be due to shifting Right, Right Thought ... Chief of The statutory provisions that right view ... right concentration is not?

P: - Yes, it was.

Th: - Again, there must be the one directing the Eightfold Path in The Princess spent religion ceased, he will be eliminated?

P: - No, can not say that.

(183) Th: - Is by Princess Sac and New Life The institutions do not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must by shifting 2 new regulatory Aggregates The binary does not?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Or is the person sensitive regulatory and aggregates identity by shifting any of the three remaining aggregates (Sac - Ideas, Excellence - Action, Sac - Food) Or by institutions of people rely on the Five Aggregates contingent right?

P: - No, can not say that.

(184) Th: - Labels Are Made by shifting, new regulatory Turkish origin The not

P: - Yes.

Th: - So if it was because the two countries have a new princess The binary mode is not specified?

P: - (Continued as (183) with twelve bases).

(185) Th: - Is by shifting perspectives, regulatory Turkey The new world does not

P: - Yes.

Th: - So would not that new world by shifting 2 The binary mode is not specified?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Does the world by relying on the label or any other world in 18 international institutions The right?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Can the person called 18 by 18 international non-shifting?

P: - No, can not say that.

(186) Th: - Are human rights and Turkey by shifting the new regulatory authority The not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So would not rely on the two due to the new regulatory authority was not a sensitive person?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - There must be shifting in the right label or any other rights in the institutions 22 The authority which is not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Can the 22 so-called people rely on the 22 right?

P: - No, can not say that.

(187) Th: - There must be a shifting regulatory aggregates that The Nhut not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be a free human institutions depend on 4 aggregates?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, as he has admitted in the previous question, can institutions of The Five by shifting by 5 aggregates?

P: - No, can not say that.

(188) Th: - Are only people in the regeneration by 1 aggregates?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So would not call him by five by five aggregates rebirth?

P: - No, can not say that.

(189) Th: - Due to its place and identity that institutions like the people there rely on the plant due to the shade of a tree that is not prepared? And by shifting into a new tree out statutory trees, both trees and shade is impermanent, so there must be institutions rely on new Sac The Sac and must both are impermanent and not him?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Does identity is a human reality that is so dependent upon regulatory Sac, is another reality, just as the tree is a reality and take refuge in the shade by the trees that are prepared to be a reality other?

P: - No, can not say that.

(190) Th: - There must be institutions rely on The New Lust, like by shifting into new rural institutions to rural people? and if so there must be a reality Sac, while the other person is a reality like the countryside is a reality, while the countryside is a real person at the other?

P: - No, can not say that.

(191) Th: - Or is it just as the kingdom is a reality, there is another reality king?

P: - No, can not say that.

(192) Th: - Check the road is not the road but the guards are guards who were in the prison is a reality, with excellent color and property like that? under which the prison is a reality and the jailor is another reality, there must be a real identity while the identity is a reality property other?

P: - No, can not say that.

IV. - Mind:

(193) Th: - Are The institutions follow every moment not interested?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So when a person must be born, the old, the sick and the dead reborn in every moment and he does not mind?

P: - No, can not say that.

(194) Th: - When the second of mind mental processes arise, there is no mistake to say that "Police na second center is the first of mind or a different of mind of mind first"?

P: - Yes, it was wrong.

Th: - So when Monday of mind arise, there must also not wrong to say that "It is the men and it is a woman".

P: - This may say so.

Th: - Please settle recognition dismissed following arguments:

At Monday of mind arise, if not to say that "It is the first of mind or a different moment," they said to him, nor to say that when the moment arises that second center that "that's the man," or "that's the woman". According to him, problems that can not be accepted prior to accepting the following issues, which is a mistake. If the issue can not be accepted before, it is not accepted following issues. While he denies this matter but accepts other matters, so he made a mistake in allowing the argument.

(195) According to him, would be a mistake to say that when the moment arises, the second center "that's the first moment or another moment." So there should not be able to speak with one of mind as such, it is male or female, or saints mortal, human or gods?

P: - Yes, you could say, but ...

(Continue to complete as part (194)).

V. - MILITARY WAY:

(196) - There is no mistake to say that soul and he conceived as an absolute reality and eternal?

Th: - Yeah, like that was a mistake.

P: - Does not have seen cases when a person identity, the meaning of identity in which they said that he sees excellence in its meaning?

Th: - Yes.

P: - But if so, surely it can be said that he was conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and not eternal?

(These questions continue informal survey with the remaining 4).

There must not be the case when a person knows something, with the meaning of these things, and said that he knew that the main by its meaning? If so, then surely it can be said that he was conceived in the sense of absolute reality and eternal.

(197) Th: - Are people conceived an absolute reality and eternal.

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be no cases where a person does not see the sense of identity by identity then says that he will not see identity with its meaning.

P: - Yes.

Th: - Thus, the case was also meant to him not to be conceived in the sense of absolute reality and eternal.

(The same question may continue informal survey with the remaining 4 and consciousness).

(198) P: - There is no mistake to say that he was treated as an absolute reality and eternal?

Th: - Yeah, like that was a mistake.

P: - Is Exalted has not ever lecture that.

- "Monks, with the pure divine eye, superhuman. I see life and death of beings. I treated it clear that knowledge, we who inferior, noble man, a beautiful man, who is bad, who fortunately, are so unfortunate wretch of them now "  (1)

There must have all of this?

Th: - Yes.

P: - So there must certainly be conceived The absolute reality is an eternal and not?

(199) Th: - he protect his point by citing the word Buddha, is the reason that he was determined that he was treated as an absolute reality and eternal?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are the pure divine eye, Superman, Exalted He saw Sac and see him or soul?

P: - He saw colors.

Th: - Was that you had no identity? Are there colors are birth and death? And does it matter, depending on the career?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question outlined above.

P: - He saw him.

Th: - Was that you who are not Matter? Are The scenery is, perspectives such as green, yellow, red, and white? Are people who are not aware of scenery? Are people in contact with the label? Are people going on the path of the label?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat questions.

P: - Blessed see both.

Th: - So there must be both the scenery? Both are Lust? Both are green, yellow, red, white? Both are aware of scenery? Both touch with the label? Both went into the path of the label? Both death and rebirth, depending on the career.

P: - No, can not say that.

FOR. - INDUSTRY

(200) P: - Is now good and evil exists now?

Th: - Yes.

P: - There must be both a cause and instigators to create good karma and evil still exist now?

Th: - No, can not say that ...

(201) Th: - The recognition has good karma and evil still exists now, does he accept that there are people who create and those who instigate now to create good karma and evil also exists now?

P: - Yes.

Th: - So would not you create is now known as the doer, or as instigator, called instigators, both still exist?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - But if a doer, and now it belongs to someone else, then there must be no cessation of suffering, no cessation, no passed?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - If good karma and evil still exists now, is the creator and instigator of the industry was also present now?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are the existing people and incite people to commit or to make it also exists now?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question: - If there is now good and evil now ...

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are existing Nirvana are so Nirvana creator and instigator to create nirvana?

P: - No, can not say that ....

Th: - Again, if the same thing just as He supported the concept, there have existed great earth, great earth creator and instigator for great local produce, still exist?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Or is the ocean? Or Tu-di mountain, water, fire, air, plants, forests exist? Are those things the creator and instigator to create these things also exist?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, if good karma and evil still exists now and the creator and instigator still exist, there must be those that are now a reality and the creator and instigator was now a reality completely differently?

P: - Can not say that.

(202) P: - Is good karma and evil still exist now?

Th: - Well, the truth is like.

P: - So who does he also awarded the existence now?

Th: - No, can not say that ....

(203) Th: - Recognizing both problems is the truth, so there must be people was also awarded a doer?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes, it is.

Th: - If the deeds are awarded, there must be no cessation of suffering, the cessation of reincarnation, and passed?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, acknowledged both problems is the truth, so there must exist doer and he also awarded the existence?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Are existing Nirvana, and Nirvana also awarded existence?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Or is the ocean, mountains Tudi great earth, water, fire, air, plants, jungle existence and also enjoy the existing scene?

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - Finally, there must be fruit of good karma and evil is now a reality that people enjoy the result was an alternate reality?

P: - No, can not say that.

(204) P: - Does happiness is heaven exist?

Th: - Well, true.

P: - Yes, there are people to enjoy happiness and heaven exist?

Th: - No, can not say that ...

(205) Th: - He said that this issue is both rational and so do those who enjoy the happiness that exists?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - If there is a cause and people who enjoy such results, there must be no cessation of suffering, the cessation of reincarnation or died?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, the recognition of this issue is both rational and there must have existed and who was also awarded by the present?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - If you think happy both heaven and who are entitled to happiness exists, there must exist and Nirvana Nirvana also awarded existence?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, if such recognition, is the ocean, great location ... trees, existing forests are also beneficiaries of the current scene?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Does happiness heaven is a reality and that happiness is an alternate reality?

P: - No, can not say that.

(206) P: - Does human happiness exist?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Does human happiness people also exist?

Th: - No, can not say that.

(207) Th: - Are both human happiness and human happiness also exist?

P: - Yes

Th: - Was that you who enjoy the happiness that exists?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - So if someone karma and like being awarded, there must be no cease, the cessation of reincarnation and passed?

P: - No, can not say that.

(The dialogue is continuing as part of the complete version (205) of the happiness of heaven)

(208) P: - Does the suffering in the realm of suffering still exists.

Th: - Yes.

P: - Does who bear the suffering that still exists?

Th: - No, can not say that.

(209) - Is He endorsed both problems?

P: - Yes.

Th: - What people have to endure the suffering that still exists?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - If there nguoitao awarded now and people like that, there must be no cessation of suffering, the cessation of reincarnation and passed?

(Continue to complete as part of (205-207))

(210-211) Th: - Does the suffering in hell still exist?

(Continue to complete as part of 204 - 205-207)

(212) Th: - Is now good and evil exists now? And now he is also the creator of existence? Inciting people to create that now exists? And who was also enjoying the results still exist?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are creators like people now enjoy reading?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - What does happiness and suffering not by itself create?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - So this in his acceptance still agree with my first point, there must be others who created those who enjoy reading?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question

P: - Yes.

Th: - What does happiness and suffering created by other people?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - As his recognition in the first argument, it must be the other person and deeds, is the person that others enjoy hard work?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be both happiness and suffering are created by themselves or by others created?

P: - No, can not say that ....

Th: - But his recognition in the first argument, is not created by the industry and awarded it, or is not created by a man and another man awarded now?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Well, not the person, and not by two different people.

Th: - So there must be happiness and suffering not by itself created, nor generated by other people?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Finally, as his recognition in the first argument, that is good karma and bad karma, as well as professional creators, instigators still exist. I would ask him about 4 issue further:

Are doer who also awarded?
Are creators and beneficiaries now are two different results?
Are they the same as one or two different people?
Are they not the same as one, nor are two different people?

(His answer to every question is) "No" (But I repeat the question, He replied) "Well," I would ask him to add 4 more question:

Are happiness and suffering created by them?
Are they created by other people?
Are they created by themselves and by others created?
Are not they both created by ourselves and not created by other people?

(And his answer is) no ...

(213) P: - Does not exist now?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Does creators also exists now?

Th: - No, can not say that.

(214) Are both creators and industry now exists?

P: - Yes, it was.

Th: - Does the creator creators also exists now?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - So, if someone has a cause and creator creator exists now, cophai no cessation of suffering, the cessation of birth and death, is passed?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, because he agrees with both of the first argument, is both the creator and the creator exists now?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Or are there and who created Nirvana Nirvana? Or have great local ... jungle and great local produce ... jungle still exists?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Or is now a reality and create a different reality now reasonable?

P: - No, can not say that.

(215) P: - Is the result of still existing now?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Does the beneficiary also present results?

Th: - No, can not say that.

(216) Th: - So, does he still maintain that there is the existence of both the results and those who receive work?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are there people who enjoy creating results and who enjoy working?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question ...

P: - Yes.

Th: - So if someone is awarded and recipients who generate results, there must be no cessation of suffering, the cessation of birth and death or died?

According to him, they have both the results and awarded, so there have been a reality and a reality awarded another?

P: - No, can not say the same ... (complete as above).

VII. - Divine power (Surveys on the psychic aspect).

(217) P: - There is no mistake to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal?"

Th: - Well, so is wrong.

P: - So there must be no effective chemical capable of divine power?

Th: - Well, yes.

P: - If so, sir, it is very rational to say "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal".Again, there must be no communication with God's ear, Tha clearinghouse, network Tuc, Thien label information, and make informed Gonorrhea?

Th: - Well, yes.

P: - If so, sir, it is very rational to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal".

(218) Th: - Make sure that there are people capable of being manifested by divine power, is for that very reason that he said that, "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal" not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are people capable of being manifested by clairvoyants, that person is the one who, while no psychic evolution is not the star?

P: - No, can not say that ...

(A similar oral continue with 5 Kabbalah was above).

VIII. - LESSONS FROM THE BUSINESS heckled.

(219) P: - There is no mistake to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal"?

Th: - Yeah, like that was a mistake.

P: - Does no one called the parent star?

Th: - Well, yes.

P: - If so, Your Honor, a lot of sense to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal". Again, there is no person to be called father, no one called brother, sister, level of dignity, Brahmin, merchants, farmers, slaves, lay, religious persons, Chu natural, human-star?

Th: - Well, yes.

P: - If so, sir, a lot of sense to say that "The eternal .... as above ...".

(220) Th: - Certainly, there are mothers, fathers ... is for that reason that he said that there is a self-self (man) does not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are there past who is not the mother then became your mother?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be people who previously did not, then became human?

P: - No, can not say that.

(The same question was questioned for "father", "mother" ... "The gods .... Humanity" and as well as on how to respond).

Th: -  Make sure that there is the existence of the mother, is the reason that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal," no?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be people who previously was the mother and then the mother is no longer there?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are there people who previously was then no longer the person again?

P: - No, can not say that.

(The same question was questioned for "father", "mother" ... and how to answer as above).

(221) P: - There is no mistake to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal"?

Th: - Well, so is wrong.

P: - Does that have no reality as a Stream (who proved to be the first ever Holy, the path to liberation)?

Th: - Yes, there is a Stream.

P: - If there is such realities (a Stream), then sir, certainly a lot of sense to accept the first premise.Again, there is not a reality yet superlative as hybrid tier Real hybrid tier Arhat liberation of variables, steps Arhat Tue liberation, attained certification body consistent with liberation, with right view of liberation, liberation trust? trust act of liberation?

Th: - Yes, there are those that rank.

P: - Your Honor, so certainly a lot of sense to accept the first premise.

(222) Th: - Make sure that there is a reality that is a Stream, is precisely because of this reason, He said, "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal," no?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is there anyone who is not a Stream ago, and now is not a Stream?

P: - Yes, yes.

Th: - There is no person who before then now is the human?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Again, make sure someone is a Stream, whether it is the reason that he confirmed that there are people before a Stream, then there is not a Stream again?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are there people who are not, and now people do not?

P: - No, can not say that.

(But the question was questioned with other institutions, and how to answer the same as above).

(223) P: - If, as he says, there is a mistake to assume that "... people are conceived as eternal" does not have the concept has been accepted as four pairs (4 directors, and four results), Eight them (direct effect alone)

Th: - Well, there are four teams Eight We.

P: - But say so, certainly a lot of sense to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal".

(224) Th: - Make sure that there are four pairs, eight We, are the reasons that he agreed premise new beginning?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be due to the presence of the Buddha which has four teams Eight they appear?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be due to the presence of the Buddha that appear?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - So when the Buddha entering Nirvana, may have "killed him, so no human could actually exist?"

P: - No, can not say that.

(225) Th: - He said that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal, so there must be people who are conditioned (with conditions) do not"?

P: - No, can not say how

Th: - There must be unconditioned people do not?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - Did not both conditioned and unconditioned (non-compounded, non unconditioned)?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is it part is compounded, in part unconditioned, while another third part is not rotated?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - I repeat the question.

P: - Yes.

Th: - But did the Buddha was once declared "Monks, there are two kinds of sex. Which two?  About conditioned and unconditioned. These are the world".

There must have all of this?

P: - Yes.

Th: - If so, make sure there is a mistake to say that "It is partly compounded partly unconditioned, and made a third in other parts rotation".

(226) Th: - (Continued) does he say that he said that non-compounded, non unconditioned not? So there must be conditioned, unconditioned, who are not different realities?

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - Is the Aggregates is compounded, Nirvana is unconditioned and he is non-compounded, non unconditioned not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is the Aggregates, Nirvana and The reality is three completely differently?

P: - No, can not say that.

(The last two questions are applied to each separate Aggregates - Lust, Feeling, Perception, Action, Soul).

(227) Th: - Does the birth of the obvious, the damage and the consumption of the family office clearly?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Was that you who are not conditioned?

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - Exalted has declared: "Monks, France compounded with three characteristics: the apparent birth, the apparent consumption and the household septic cylindrical clear".  (1)

From here, if that's three characteristics of the person, he also is compounded? Are these three characteristics are not apparent in non?

P: - Yes, we are not clear.

Th: - So there must be invisible because he is not

P: - No, can not say that ...

Th: - Exalted has declared: "Monks, unconditioned approach has three characteristics: - There is no clear birth, the damage unclear objectives and the home office is not clear". If all of this, as he says, not the characteristics of the "People", then that person is unconditioned.

(228) Th: - The entered nirvana, does he exist in nirvana or he does not exist in nirvana?

P: - He exists in Nirvana.

Th: - So there must be people who had died everlasting?

P: - No, can not say how

Th: - There must be people who entered Nirvana and do not exist in Nirvana, then destroyed it?

P: - No, can not say how

(228a) Th: - People rely on state spending that sustainable?

P: - The exchange on sustainable organic  (Bhavam)

Th: - Is it (the state of) existence is impermanent, compounded, by shifting coastal birth, decay, disintegration, no perception, perish, change?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There must be people who are impermanent, compounded, born due to shifting conditions, decay, disintegration, no perception, perish, change?

P: - No, can not say how

(229) P: - There is no mistake to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal"?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Does no one else is entitled Life optimistic, they also know that I'm enjoying Tho touch him?

Th: -  Well, someone did.

P: - If so, sir, certainly a lot of sense to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal," ... and if a person is subject to unpleasant as well know that I am unpleasant subject. He has agreed to this?

It's a lot of sense to say that "... the eternal Person ..."

(Similar to neutral - non suffering non-touch).

(230) Th: - I noted what things he has confirmed. Is the reason that he has said (The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal? "

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be people who are enjoying Tho peanuts, peanut know you are enjoying Life was new, that person is called who, but someone does not know is not called?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - He has rejected this in the case of unpleasant and not neutral?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Does he still have the idea that because this knowledge should form "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal?"

P: - Yes.

Th: - So there must be a real pleasant feeling and the knowledge that a reality tri other?

P: - No, can not say that ...

(The same oral continue with unpleasant and neutral).

(231) P: - He refused, "The concept is a real sense in the eternal and absolute and finite". So is not there people visualize themselves in this body?

Th: - Well with him

P: - Or is no contemplation of life expectancy, interest in mind, or in the legal measures?

Th: - Well, someone did.

P: - So, sir, to make sure that my arguments are rational human beings.

(232) Th: - Make sure that there are people who are gathered on the four foundations of mindfulness, is the same reason that he said that he was very rational when the concept of human entity?

P: - Yes.

Th: - There have called him while visualizing and not called who when not visualizing?

P: - No, can not say how

(234) Th: - Are The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal.

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is Exalted has not once declared.

"Hey Mogherajan,
Look away empty.
Always mindful.
Pluck up is down option.
So beyond death.
Look displaced so
Death can not see."

Actual necessarily texts?  (1)

P: - Yes.

Th: - Thus, it is wrong to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal."

(235) Th: - Are there people visualize it?

P: - Yes.

Th: - The visualization with Lust Lust or outside?

P: - General with Sac.

Th: - Are Full Name and other relatives?

P: - No, can not say how

Th: - But if people outside excellent visualization, which is completely different to the list yourself?

P: - No, can not say that.

Th: - (I ask again) Are not visualize him?

P: - Yes.

Th: - The contemplation of feeling or external sensory senses?

P: - they contemplate with the senses.

Th: - So the list is itself reasonable?

P: - No, can not say that.

(236) P: - There is no mistake to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal".

Th: - Yes.

P: - Is Exalted is He telling the truth, say trendy, strictly speaking reasonable, honest, no errors, no ambition?

Th: - Yes.

P: - Is Exalted has declared that "There are people working towards their interests," it's probably all doing there?

Th: - Yes.

P: - So, make sure that person is conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal.

(237) ... Again, there must be Exalted has declared that "Monks, when a person appears in the world, the emergence bring happiness for the majority, peace for the majority, because of compassion for the world, for the good, for happiness, for the happiness of gods and men ... "?  (1)

There must have all of this?

Th: - Yes.

P: - If so, make sure people are conceived in the sense of absolute reality and eternal.

(238) Th: - Is Exalted have urged that "all measures are non-self". There must have all of this?

P: - Yes.

Th: - If so, it is very wrong to say that he was conceived in the sense of an absolute reality and eternal.

(239) ... Again, the Buddha has declared that "He is no doubt, no wonder, no one else on the coast, where there is in him. Until such, this  Kaccayana , is chief knowledge "  (2) . There must have all of this?

P: - Yes.

Th: - And so, it is wrong lamkhi said "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal".

(204) ... Again, there must monks-ni Vajira not ever respond to such evil or stars.

"Why do people say all the time.
By the word beings.
Is this Devil
fall into wrong person?
It brings together the executive.
They are being formed.
As part of gathering.
The name speaks vehicles
Also Aggregates gathered
Colloquially referred beings.
Only suffering is born.
suffering exists, suffering ceases.
Besides suffering unparalleled
Also suffering, not what kill " .  (3)

There must have all of this?

P: - Yes.

(241) Th: - Again, do not ever Supposedly Ananda asked Buddha: "Drum is not the world, the world is empty. Buddha, so is talking about. So how , Buddha, known as the world's empty? " And there must Buddha had replied, "Because that is Ananda, the world is not the self, and not on the self, the world should be called empty. And what, Ānanda, is not self and not on the self? Eyes, this Ananda, is not the self and not on self. The color is not the self, or ego does not belong. awareness is not self, or ego does not belong. The label is exposed no ego, or self ... Do not under grace the contact, what sensations arise, happiness, pain, or non-touch, non-suffering, feeling that no self or ego does not belong, and for that , Ananda, no self or belonging to self, so called empty is this world "...?  (1)

There must have all of this?

P: - Yes, so true prayer.

(242) Th. - Again, because He confirmed that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal," and we all know about the true ... words of Buddha, are Spirit World religion has declared: "monks, if any, is that which himself belongs falls falls? Or if one belongs to the self, the ego has not?"In both cases, the person responded "Yes, it is, venerable sir." But there are two: the self and what belongs to the self can be found as a fact and it is not something permanent? Then, there is acceptance that "This world is also there, but we are also there." After death we will become another permanent lasting, eternal, unchanging ... "?  (2)

There must have all of this?

P: - Yes, all of this is real.

(243) Th: - Again, the Buddha has declared, "There are three classes of cardinals, this Leniya, found in life. What is the third? The first class regulatory cardinals ego is real, sustainability in this life, and then did not. class Monday cardinal institutions of self is real, sustainable both this life and the next life ... third-ranking cardinal institutions of self is real, sustainability in this life, this life and sustainable future lives "?  (3)   Are there texts like this?

P: - Yes, indeed there is such texts.

Th: - Blessed Are there no place for them to talk about?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Is there a place for them who do not?

P: - No, can not say so.

Th: - ... Finally, there must be Exalted also said the oil pot, pot of honey, sugarcane, milk, ... bowl of rice, porridge pot is not?

P: - Yes.

Th: - Are there porridge pot lasting, eternal, immutable?

P: - No, can not say so.

Th: - If so, certainly very wrong to say that "The concept is a reality in the sense of absolute and eternal." END=NAM MO CAKYA MOUNI BUDDHA.( 3 TIMES ).VIETNAMESE TRANSLATE ENGLISH BY=THICH CHAN TANH.THE MIND OF ENLIGHTENMENT.WORLD VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST ORDER=VIETNAMESE BUDDHIST NUN=GOLDEN LOTUS MONASTERY=AUSTRALIA,SYDNEY.28/10/2016.MHDT.